I'm choosing the negative path.

[Sacred Fool]

When I first read that "picnic passage" in the Ra material, I was very moved also.  This was the first ideological construct I had found which honored and respected the Path of Darkness, and this was a big deal for me because I found evidence in myself of the Way of Darkness being an important unresolved element of my soul stream.

Just a couple of quick points.  Those who identify as traveling upon the Way of Light likely hold a hell of lot more darkness in their energy fields than they are aware of.  So, some people will just get angry and suppress their desire to act on it, while others will get angry and lash out passionately.  While both serve the Creator, the greater service in my view, is to encompass and balance all the catalyst one encounters--and if you dig a little bit beneath the surface, you can find just about anything inside the thingy you call self.

Given that premise, I might suggest to those who disapprove of MK's ideations that they actually try them on for size, walk around in them a bit and then try to balance what you end up feeling.  It might provide some insight into your own energetic structure, given that we are all heir to the same ultimate awareness.

Hmm, on the other hand, I wouldn't recommend that for everyone.

 

[Nicholas]

According to the demons,

I imagine that you got b****-slapped at a point in your life when you were unready to defend yourself. You internalised it (like a lot of us do), and the stimuli is reverberating within your mind like a chaotic ping ball. 

If I am reading the sub text of your posts here on bring4th correctly, does this speak to the heart of what you came here to learn? You know, like cut those demons some slack and give them a little compassion for a change?

[AnthroHeart]

I recently took on a point of view that I should stop my lusty behavior.
So I deleted my entire porn collection (most was cartoon anthros) and work to keep my vibration high.
I feel a lusty mind can bring down your vibration.

At least in the afterlife I don't want to carry that around with me.

[Mahakali]

I imagine that you got b****-slapped at a point in your life when you were unready to defend yourself. You internalised it (like a lot of us do), and the stimuli is reverberating within your mind like a chaotic ping ball. 

If I am reading the sub text of your posts here on bring4th correctly, does this speak to the heart of what you came here to learn? You know, like cut those demons some slack and give them a little compassion for a change?

Um, I don't know what kind of drugs you're on, but.

Reverberating? Maybe. Probably from a different bitchslap than the one you're thinking of.

>cut those demons some slack and give them a little compassion for a change?

I wasn't being metaphorical. I am talking about literal astral entities that entered the bodies of my friends, caused them to die, and say I'm coming with them at some point.

does this speak to the heart of what you came here to learn?

No. Put the pipe down. I came here because of the wealth of technical information in the Ra and Seth material so that I could press past this and hone my art.

"The heart of what I'm tryng to learn" is to hone it into a fine enough point to slice off the hand that slapped me and pleasure myself with it.

I thought someone here might know how I'd be able to break through these chains and restore my soul. If you've any idea how to do that, I'm begging you to tell me, but so far there's not much technical information other than people offering to send me energy, and I have learned my lesson about accepting gifts from random internet occultists.

I need information about what's going on and what I can do to fix my merkaba.

I recently took on a point of view that I should stop my lusty behavior.
So I deleted my entire porn collection (most was cartoon anthros) and work to keep my vibration high.
I feel a lusty mind can bring down your vibration.
At least in the afterlife I don't want to carry that around with me.

My porn folders are filled with guro and lolicon. Can't stand furshit, myself.

I find that having a lusty mind can raise vibration, and compulsive fapping is the one that does you in. I'm looking at an extended period of straight edge no fap dieting. I'll look at porn because I want to increase my sex hormone production, but I won't touch. Thus the energy has a way to build up.

As one of my favorites rappers said, "When I die, bury me with my comics and porno flicks/So when I go to Hell, I got something to do up in that b****".






Not going there for a long time, though, if ever.

I have stuff to do, and I will. I'll be here for a while...

[Sacred Fool]

I thought someone here might know how I'd be able to break through these chains and restore my soul. If you've any idea how to do that, I'm begging you to tell me, but so far there's not much technical information other than people offering to send me energy, and I have learned my lesson about accepting gifts from random internet occultists.

Myself, in this incarnation I've been through many rounds where, spiritually, I felt I was like a horse fenced in a pasture where the grass was all eaten.  I knew there were other pastures around where I might continue to graze, but the gates were nearly impossible to find.  Having gone through my own suffering in that regard, I can offer you two thoughts on the matter, the first of which you are already engaged in to some degree.

When I was around ten years old, I just couldn't wait until I became 18 y/o so that I could do what I wanted to do: namely, eat as much ice cream as I wanted and stay up as late as I wanted.  However, when I became 18, the outlook of a 10 y/o on these matters was of very little use to me.  Therefore, one might conclude that you own thoughts and feelings may not really be as important as you might expect. The point is, if you want to cross the threshold to a further level, as much as possible, stop acting like a 10 y/o and think about acting like an 18 y/o, as it were.  Not wasting sexual energy is going in that direction.  You might consider applying the same attitude to all your actions.  Weigh them.  Do they carry real gravity or not?  If not, let the go.  Twisting yourself into a posture of being more strictly discriminate with your energy expenditure will cause you to appear to be a more appealing (read: useful) initiate.

Second, the above example of the ten y/o, in a way, blows the idea of service to self apart.  I mean, what's the point of being in service to that?  In the same sense, what's the point of being in service to the ... um ... "gentleman" you are now?  I hope you see my point.  You'd be smarter being of service to something, some element of self, more with-it than your apparent self, in other words.  So, what might that be?  And what would the idea of your service mean to you?

 

[Mahakali]

something moderately useful

I dunno.

I'm f***** up now and will probably have more to say, but I don't care about being a "useful initiate". I care about doing me, and I care about revenge. Mostly about revenge.

I want my enemies tortured to death. I want them to scream in agony and die a slow, painful death.

And I will follow through.

As far as the Tempel ov Blood goes, if that's who you're taking about, wonderful people. Love their vibes. Have beef with some of them, they can be a lil' aggressive, to say the least.

Thing is, I need my soul and my mind. These things are non-negotiable. I need to survive and transcend and evolve. I'm not just a degenerate, I want to move forward with myself first, maybe others layer.

Gotta go. Be on later.

[MangusKhan]

My porn folders are filled with guro and lolicon. Can't stand furshit, myself.

[Sacred Fool]

I dunno.

I should be clear, I have neither interest in nor connection with outer planes sts groups.  My experience is all on the inner planes.  For 7 years in the 1990's I worked with a clairvoyant who, some years earlier, had found herself without a body due to severe trauma, and when she returned she retained connection to some of the friends she made on the other side.  During the course of the work, we found that I had connections to higher level dark stuff than she had seen before.

If you're interested in creating a cleaner spiritual profile, I can offer what knowledge I can muster for the occasion.  My specialty was in aligning energies in different planes.  That's why I emphasize service.  It's way more important than it may sound.  Same goes for love.

This may sound odd, but it's true.  In the Gogol Taras Bulba narrative, the two most moving sections are when Bulba executes his one son for betrayal of the group (a deep form of service) and when he attends the execution of his other son out of love for him.  Potency in these areas is not unimportant, in my view.

But it's up to you state where you are and what you want.

 

[loostudent]

God bless you.

[Mahakali]

You have no power here. Lolis are legal in the United States.

I don't take it any further than lolis, either, btw. All the people I'm interested in IRL are around my age or older. Lolicon != pedophile. It's just a genre of Japanese porn people enjoy as a form of rebellion, and I'm in it for the social taboo and not because I'm seriously focused on/interested in boinking kids.

Just for the record there.

When I was around ten years old, I just couldn't wait until I became 18 y/o so that I could do what I wanted to do: namely, eat as much ice cream as I wanted and stay up as late as I wanted.  However, when I became 18, the outlook of a 10 y/o on these matters was of very little use to me.  Therefore, one might conclude that you own thoughts and feelings may not really be as important as you might expect.

It was of use to me. I eat a ton of junk food, stay up all night every night, do drugs when I want, look at all the hentai and porn my parents took away when I was 12, listen to all the music they hated and that I had to hide from them, watch NC-17 rated movies, smoke ganja and drink, occasionally do psychedelics or hard drugs, say "f***" more than any person I know... those things are all great. You should get in touch with your inner 10 year-old. He knows what's up.

And what would the idea of your service mean to you?

See, here's the thing. Right this second, what I want to do is fix my soul so that I'm generating light properly and get my mind, soul, brain, psychic powers back. I really need to fix this. I refuse to live this way. I need out. And I need the knowledge to get out. That's all that matters. I need to go back within myself.

In my life, I'm focusing on generating revenue and learning to not waste sexual energy, as you said, as well as to recover from rampant drug abuse and trauma-based brain damage, etc.. I'm going on a very strict diet and mental/physical exercise routine soon.

Figuring out the next steps? That's for later.

[MangusKhan]

You have no power here. Lolis are legal in the United States.

I don't take it any further than lolis, either, btw. All the people I'm interested in IRL are around my age or older. Lolicon != pedophile. It's just a genre of Japanese porn people enjoy as a form of rebellion, and I'm in it for the social taboo and not because I'm seriously focused on/interested in boinking kids.

Just for the record there.

I'm just memin' on ya. I got no business with people who would persecute thoughtcrimes. If a hikkikomori wants to create a comic about a romance between a grown man and an 11 year-old girl, who am I to say no?

[Minyatur]

I thought I'd give my view of negativity, perhaps it'll inspire someone to see it anew.

To me negativity is never about living some kind of thrill or such, although it surely can be seen as that. Negativity is about abstracting yourself and your own light and love away from your awareness, because in your ideas and beliefs you feel unable to accept it. It's the paradoxical belief in overcoming yourself, erasing what you have been through its reflection seen without. You are One with All. There's literally nothing to step upon other than your own image, nothing to feel superior toward than how you've seen yourself low and thought was worth to be overcome. Negativity is attempting to find light digging a hole, no matter how strong your belief to see it as otherwise is, it'll come to that you're just digging yourself a hole and that somewhen you allow yourself to be yourself more sincerely.

A positive state is a state of inner wholeness radiating, and that is the very opposite of feeling any miserable. To be negative is to be stuck miserable until you learn to feel more whole and allow yourself to freely radiate it.

[AnthroHeart]

You have no power here. Lolis are legal in the United States.

I don't take it any further than lolis, either, btw. All the people I'm interested in IRL are around my age or older. Lolicon != pedophile. It's just a genre of Japanese porn people enjoy as a form of rebellion, and I'm in it for the social taboo and not because I'm seriously focused on/interested in boinking kids.

Just for the record there.

I've been there, sort of.

It's easy for me to fall in love with fictional characters (anthros).
Though the ones I fall in love with are portrayed as adult.

[Sacred Fool]

I eat a ton of junk food, stay up all night every night, do drugs when I want, look at all the hentai and porn my parents took away when I was 12, listen to all the music they hated and that I had to hide from them, watch NC-17 rated movies, smoke ganja and drink, occasionally do psychedelics or hard drugs, say "f***" more than any person I know... those things are all great. You should get in touch with your inner 10 year-old. He knows what's up.

<ellipsis>

In my life, I'm focusing on generating revenue and learning to not waste sexual energy, as you said, as well as to recover from rampant drug abuse and trauma-based brain damage, etc.. I'm going on a very strict diet and mental/physical exercise routine soon.

I have to give you points for humor.  Telling me I should act out like a 10 y/o, then demonstrating the mess that can lead to is amusing, indeed.

Right this second, what I want to do is fix my soul so that I'm generating light properly and get my mind, soul, brain, psychic powers back. I really need to fix this. I refuse to live this way. I need out. And I need the knowledge to get out. That's all that matters. I need to go back within myself.

I hope you don't take this as a jab, but your description reminds me of an Irish song where the woman's son was persuaded to fight against Spain in a war, and when he returns and comes down the ship's gangway, she sees both lower legs were blown away by a cannon ball.  She says to him, "Were you drunk or were you blind when you left your two fine legs behind?  Or was it in walking upon the sea that you wore your legs from the knees away?"

So, I'm wondering here, how did you lose your mind, soul and psychic powers?


Lastly, referring to the first quotation above, I'm wondering now if this does not disclose a portion of why you're feeling stuck?  That is, you would seem to be trying to retain the freewheeling hedonism of childhood while hoping to somehow acquire some benefits of a disciplined youth.  Perhaps, in order to swing freely on the trapeze of youth, as it were, you first must let go of the trapeze of childhood?  Otherwise, you cannot travel.  I dunno.  You decide.

Negativity is attempting to find light digging a hole, no matter how strong your belief to see it as otherwise is, it'll come to that you're just digging yourself a hole and that somewhen you allow yourself to be yourself more sincerely.

I like the image.  Seems to me it might better apply to the way some purportedly sto folks who really aren't interested in serving anyone but themselves and who have never lived a day behind the front lines of an sts gathering go about explaining what the Path of Darkness is all about.  It would be as if I were to publish my beliefs about how it is to live in Alaska when I have never set foot in the place.  If I really believe my own guesses, then, I would say, I'm just digging myself into your hole, hoping that light will magically appear.

In fact, Ra honors the Path of Darkness as a complement to the other.  I would add that, besides making one susceptible to feelings of smug moral superiority. the sto path tends to lead folks to overlook the fact that, until somewhere in 6d or 7d, the sto entity is incomplete and unbalanced, just like the sts entity.  Also here they are complementary.

Rather than worry about how they may compete with one another, in my view it is more noble to ponder the elements that one team can learn from the other.  This strikes me as a "more better" pathway to wholeness, if that's what you're into.

 

[Minyatur]

Negativity is attempting to find light digging a hole, no matter how strong your belief to see it as otherwise is, it'll come to that you're just digging yourself a hole and that somewhen you allow yourself to be yourself more sincerely.

I like the image.  Seems to me it might better apply to the way some purportedly sto folks who really aren't interested in serving anyone but themselves and who have never lived a day behind the front lines of an sts gathering go about explaining what the Path of Darkness is all about.  It would be as if I were to publish my beliefs about how it is to live in Alaska when I have never set foot in the place.  If I really believe my own guesses, then, I would say, I'm just digging myself into your hole, hoping that light will magically appear.

Actually I have extremely deeply resonated with the negative path, I think in my own native 3D world I harvested negative and it took great lenghts of time and experiences to turn to the light again. Polarity then became more of a space to stand in and work unity from. I've also found deep love within my heart for these spaces and the entities that populate them, they give me a deep sense of home and brotherhood. But of course, that is contemplating them from a positive state.

If you ask negative entities what negative polarity is then you're only thrown their blockages and paradoxes, because the only way they can gain the ability to see it with clarity is by transcending and repolarizing. The negative path holds on blockages and paradoxes to work. I do think it is natural to be, but it is a path that accumulates regrets nevertheless, of which the fate comes to be known and accepted fully only in 6D.

In fact, Ra honors the Path of Darkness as a complement to the other.  I would add that, besides making one susceptible to feelings of smug moral superiority. the sto path tends to lead folks to overlook the fact that, until somewhere in 6d or 7d, the sto entity is incomplete and unbalanced, just like the sts entity.  Also here they are complementary.

Rather than worry about how they may compete with one another, in my view it is more noble to ponder the elements that one team can learn from the other.  This strikes me as a "more better" pathway to wholeness, if that's what you're into.

Obviously the sto path is merely a path, a direction to walk torward, but that direction is where the negative path resolves still.

While I get your point that the negative path is valid an option, I think there are many that would harvest negative only to realize they went back to square 1 in their process of repolarizing from there.

Btw your signature advocates against the negative path, because it is a path where happiness and peace are sacrificed and which I guess is my point, if you want joy and peace go positive as they are perks of a positive state. A negative state runs away from its karma by projecting it without, misunderstanding it projects upon itself in the end and made itself live more of this same fate rather than less. If your point was more that positive densities are filled with fools that constantly projects shadows despite identifying with the light, then I did observe the same, wisdom is no requisite for polarity in the design of things.

[unity100]

A negative entity would have little desire for sharing his choice with others, leaving aside care about what other entities would think. It wouldnt have any confusion about its choice in the manner of 'resonating' and so on, either.

It would be busy polarizing negatively through innumerable ways the negative social system that is present today, provides. Ranging from religion to politics, from military to intelligence organizations to corporate media, there are many, many opportunities for entities who want to polarize negatively.

Leaving aside the fact that for a negatively polarizing entity, thoughts and concepts like the ones manifested in forums like this, are at the least very irritating, and for higher polarized negative entities, intolerable.

............

The original poster may possibly have a lashback issue related to frustration. Such cases are generally lessons for learning application of wisdom - blue energy.

[Mahakali]

I've been there, sort of.

It's easy for me to fall in love with fictional characters (anthros).
Though the ones I fall in love with are portrayed as adult.

I don't really fall in love with fictional characters. I don't often even fap to comics; I just read them and save the concepts therein for later masturbation sessions. I wish I could fap to comics without personal self-identification like I used to be able to do, but the s*** invading my time/space body has taken away my ability to do that for some reason (probably because it's trying to block my imagination).

I'm bisexual, but not interested in shotas for some reason. Only lolis do it for me, which is at least good evidence that my comic book fetishes are divorced from my RL sexuality.

And furry s*** in any form disgusts me tbh. Even bestiality is okay, as long as it doesn't include anthros.

stuff

>I have to give you points for humor.  Telling me I should act out like a 10 y/o, then demonstrating the mess that can lead to is amusing, indeed.

The two aren't related. I hated druggies when I was a 10 year old... probably would have done well to listen to the little bastard in that situation, too! On the other hand, I probably wouldn't trade my drug years for anything. Those were the only time I ever came even close to happy...

And the drugs and trauma that damaged me the worst were from psych meds and Christians trying to kill my inner 10 year old and make me another cog in the machine... and, in that case, too, it was better to be listening to the damn 10 year-old. I'm hanging on for dear life, but if I'd not listened to the little f*****, I'd be dead altogether.

I'm never growing up. I've seen it ruin too many good people.


>I hope you don't take this as a jab

I don't, probably because I don't get it. Enlighten me? What was the correlation, other than that we both lost mobility as an act of violence?

>So, I'm wondering here, how did you lose your mind, soul and psychic powers?

Well, they're not lost, just in a box. Kundalini is in everything; it's not possible to lose it, only to have the illusion of losing it.

Anyways, I will always have an individual soul. I won't get into the specifics of the alchemy behind it because I'm too lazy, but certain things have been done to me that are so unforgivable that I can never stop moving and so painful that no threat scares me and no "punishment" can truly harm me.

I'm understanding some things now. The Dark Gods gave me a gift. A painful gift which I've cried over for many years, but one that precludes me from ever giving in. There's nowhere to go but out.

I know the general, but not the specifics. If I knew, I wouldn't be asking for help.

Well, I do know some specifics. The geometry of the heart chakra is all wrong, and the nadis need to be rewired. Something is wrong with my solar plexus, and I'm not sure exactly how to fix that right now. The brain and the third eye need some intensive energy work, but will probably be relatively straightforward to heal; I have the correct blueprint. Correct frequencies need to be tuned in on the etheric/scalar wave/whatever level.

EDIT: Also, I need to correct the wiring of the parts of my brain relating to memory, emotion, motor function, sleep, waking consciousness, and chakra control.


>Perhaps, in order to swing freely on the trapeze of youth, as it were, you first must let go of the trapeze of childhood?  Otherwise, you cannot travel.  I dunno.  You decide.

That... what? No, I'm talking about astral implants and occult technology used on me to overtake my aura.

If the implication was that they'll only stop if I conform - which is something they've told me before - then I'll give you the same answer I gave them: suck my dick. I simply don't trust them. They'll leave in a backdoor and keep on trying to control my life. If they're running a system that encourages freedom, great; I'll learn and build and have fun and maybe even contribute somehting. If it's a system that only looks free but actually has a bunch of backdoors and a complete backstage, or a series of backstages, then I'll break out, hack s***, and have fun.

Either way, I accept no authority.

If those people want anything from me, they cut the s*** out first.

>Seems to me it might better apply to the way some purportedly sto folks who really aren't interested in serving anyone but themselves and who have never lived a day behind the front lines of an sts gathering go about explaining what the Path of Darkness is all about.

So true. There really are some wonderful things in the Darkness. There are probably more nightmares there than in the STO current, but there aspects that are a lot of fun. I have more experiences with the nightmares than the fun, but it's not the eternal suffering pit of fire that a lot of STO's make it out to be.

truth

Truth.

I would add that for a negative being in a place where knowledge is suppressed, learning from positive people is better than "learning" from negatives. Positives tend to want to make technical information available to everyone, as they see everyone as truly equal; the negatives will manipulate you if they feel like it.

[GentleReckoning]

Why do you aim to refrain from violence or sexual exploitation?

If you care about these things you'll face problems on the negative path. and won't graduate.
You should only be concerned about yourself. not hold back and not think things twice when it comes to hurting other selves for personal gain.

And another thing I should mention is that the negative entities might be setting a trap for you. you may think they will leave you be or even help you if you make that choice. but they know that things may change for you and you may reswitch polarity since you have a positive background.

Incorrect. Reality just gets really angry when you combine the negative and positive path, creates lots of light, and makes you god.

Is that how you became one?

Well, actually, according to Ra, to gain power within third density, one must dedicate themselves to a single polarity. STO is the easier path to become "one", but both are valid. But you have to choose. You have to walk the steps of light after this incarnation, which means you must be reposited into the negative densities or the positive densities - fourth, then fifth, then sixth. You don't get to leapfrog into middle 6th density if you never learned how to polarize through the rest of the densities past this one.

Ah yes. Power. The subconscious control of others via servitude (positive) or domination (negative) via the heart. Both leading to less learning. I'll pass. Transcending duality should be the goal of any adept as when tied to any ideal or fixed point in consciousness leads to a very limited viewpoint.

[MangusKhan]

Why do you aim to refrain from violence or sexual exploitation?

If you care about these things you'll face problems on the negative path. and won't graduate.
You should only be concerned about yourself. not hold back and not think things twice when it comes to hurting other selves for personal gain.

And another thing I should mention is that the negative entities might be setting a trap for you. you may think they will leave you be or even help you if you make that choice. but they know that things may change for you and you may reswitch polarity since you have a positive background.

Incorrect. Reality just gets really angry when you combine the negative and positive path, creates lots of light, and makes you god.

Is that how you became one?

Well, actually, according to Ra, to gain power within third density, one must dedicate themselves to a single polarity. STO is the easier path to become "one", but both are valid. But you have to choose. You have to walk the steps of light after this incarnation, which means you must be reposited into the negative densities or the positive densities - fourth, then fifth, then sixth. You don't get to leapfrog into middle 6th density if you never learned how to polarize through the rest of the densities past this one.

Ah yes. Power. The subconscious control of others via servitude (positive) or domination (negative) via the heart. Both leading to less learning. I'll pass. Transcending duality should be the goal of any adept as when tied to any ideal or fixed point in consciousness leads to a very limited viewpoint.

While these words resonate, I am left wondering... is it really okay to just ignore suffering entities and accept that they will be sucked into a vortex of pain and misery for the rest of their existence? I understand why the wise do not involve themselves with others, but still something in me says, "Make a difference". Otherwise, why even be here, and not in the outer planes engaging in much more rapid learn/teaching?

[Cainite]

Why do you aim to refrain from violence or sexual exploitation?

If you care about these things you'll face problems on the negative path. and won't graduate.
You should only be concerned about yourself. not hold back and not think things twice when it comes to hurting other selves for personal gain.

And another thing I should mention is that the negative entities might be setting a trap for you. you may think they will leave you be or even help you if you make that choice. but they know that things may change for you and you may reswitch polarity since you have a positive background.

Incorrect. Reality just gets really angry when you combine the negative and positive path, creates lots of light, and makes you god.

Is that how you became one?

Well, actually, according to Ra, to gain power within third density, one must dedicate themselves to a single polarity. STO is the easier path to become "one", but both are valid. But you have to choose. You have to walk the steps of light after this incarnation, which means you must be reposited into the negative densities or the positive densities - fourth, then fifth, then sixth. You don't get to leapfrog into middle 6th density if you never learned how to polarize through the rest of the densities past this one.

Ah yes. Power. The subconscious control of others via servitude (positive) or domination (negative) via the heart. Both leading to less learning. I'll pass. Transcending duality should be the goal of any adept as when tied to any ideal or fixed point in consciousness leads to a very limited viewpoint.

To transcend duality, one has to be sufficiently polarized. it happens later in the density of unity. a wanderer who is also an adept can do it by first relearning/remembering all the necessary lessons.

[Sacred Fool]

The negative path holds on blockages and paradoxes to work. I do think it is natural to be, but it is a path that accumulates regrets nevertheless, of which the fate comes to be known and accepted fully only in 6D.

No blockages nor paradoxes on the positive path?

Ra had regrets about their naivete.  So, what's the difference?

I think there are many that would harvest negative only to realize they went back to square 1 in their process of repolarizing from there.

Well, no one said it was the easier path.  So what?   Is this not an unfair, unbalanced assessment?  You observe only the difficulties and ignore the strengths.

Btw your signature advocates against the negative path, because it is a path where happiness and peace are sacrificed and which I guess is my point, if you want joy and peace go positive as they are perks of a positive state. A negative state runs away from its karma by projecting it without, misunderstanding it projects upon itself in the end and made itself live more of this same fate rather than less. If your point was more that positive densities are filled with fools that constantly projects shadows despite identifying with the light, then I did observe the same, wisdom is no requisite for polarity in the design of things.

Here you project a naive view of karma on all sts entities of all densities?  Unbalanced maybe?  (Perhaps you do this in a negative state, but that's another matter.)

I do not believe that my signature advocates for or against either or any path in particular.  The happiness and peace mentioned there are not the transient sort that can be bargained away, but the enduring sort born of the deepest knowledge of self.  And this deep knowledge is accessible, it seems, by the skillful practitioner who may enjoy the pathways of his choosing.  It's not for me to dictate.  On the other hand, if someone asks for help--and I might be able to help--then maybe I should offer some assistance?  Secondarily, although I am not advocating for the Path of Darkness, I do believe it deserves due respect, and in this thread, for some reason, I am taking on the role of pointing out the fact that the parity of that path with the Path of Light is often too subtle to be noticed by those who, basically--I'm guessing--are rather afraid of the deep Darkness.  That is, by defining a bit of moral superiority, they give themselves some distance from that particular dinner guest whom they would much prefer not to sit next to.

>I have to give you points for humor.  Telling me I should act out like a 10 y/o, then demonstrating the mess that can lead to is amusing, indeed.

The two aren't related.

So, indulgent hedonism doesn't contribute to physical unbalance?  Give it a few more years then.

Well, I do know some specifics. The geometry of the heart chakra is all wrong, and the nadis need to be rewired. Something is wrong with my solar plexus, and I'm not sure exactly how to fix that right now. The brain and the third eye need some intensive energy work, but will probably be relatively straightforward to heal; I have the correct blueprint. Correct frequencies need to be tuned in on the etheric/scalar wave/whatever level.


EDIT: Also, I need to correct the wiring of the parts of my brain relating to memory, emotion, motor function, sleep, waking consciousness, and chakra control.

In general terms, the sense I get is that someone did a skillful job of tailoring this mess just right to match your specific personality strengths and weaknesses so that the problems and solutions are exactly in your blind spots.  Again, in general terms, it might be useful to take stock of your profile (strong willed, intelligent, arrogant, lazy, etc.) and consider where you would hide the problems on someone like that.  Where would they never think to look?  How could you easily deceive and confuse someone, given that inherent personality structure?

Specifically--beginning where you began--I feel that your heart is there willing to talk with you.......but you're not showing up.  As stated earlier, in my view, the heart is a very important part of what can help you progress.  If your efforts are faint-hearted, then don't have high expectations for yourself.  4d is the density of love, it's not a joke.  I'm not saying it's an easy card to play, but that it is very important.  You need to talk with it and come to some understandings to help you in your working towards balancing your energy system.

Ah yes. Power. The subconscious control of others via servitude (positive) or domination (negative) via the heart. Both leading to less learning. I'll pass. Transcending duality should be the goal of any adept as when tied to any ideal or fixed point in consciousness leads to a very limited viewpoint.

Both of these are actually negative, right?  (Control and control.)  Maybe that makes then non-dual?

Power is the ability to do work, and in this case the ability to do work in consciousness.  Of course, if you have no desire to do work, then who needs it?

While these words resonate, I am left wondering... is it really okay to just ignore suffering entities and accept that they will be sucked into a vortex of pain and misery for the rest of their existence? I understand why the wise do not involve themselves with others, but still something in me says, "Make a difference". Otherwise, why even be here, and not in the outer planes engaging in much more rapid learn/teaching?

Personally, I agree with Ra, the response of deepest respect is to offer openhearted love to those who suffer and ask for help.  For some, that translates into extending physical or emotional assistance, for some it translates into extending the love inherent to their being.  ("Their" is intended to be plural, i.e., love of the giver and the receiver.)

 
 

[Minyatur]

The negative path holds on blockages and paradoxes to work. I do think it is natural to be, but it is a path that accumulates regrets nevertheless, of which the fate comes to be known and accepted fully only in 6D.

No blockages nor paradoxes on the positive path?

Ra had regrets about their naivete.  So, what's the difference?

The difference is that one path seeks to resolve them and the other accumulates them. I think the differences between the paths are ultimately balanced at the unconscious level, but at the conscious level they differ a lot.

I think there are many that would harvest negative only to realize they went back to square 1 in their process of repolarizing from there.

Well, no one said it was the easier path.  So what?   Is this not an unfair, unbalanced assessment?  You observe only the difficulties and ignore the strengths.

You seem to view a lot like one or the other, but I think there's always just one path. Although the negative is called a path, it is more like an extension twisted of what the positive path is and which in its essence and nature comes to resolve back to it.

No entity is actually negative, the lower self-portion of an entity may find itself temporarily in negative states, which holds in acceptance of the higher portions that remain positive all the while.

Btw your signature advocates against the negative path, because it is a path where happiness and peace are sacrificed and which I guess is my point, if you want joy and peace go positive as they are perks of a positive state. A negative state runs away from its karma by projecting it without, misunderstanding it projects upon itself in the end and made itself live more of this same fate rather than less. If your point was more that positive densities are filled with fools that constantly projects shadows despite identifying with the light, then I did observe the same, wisdom is no requisite for polarity in the design of things.

Here you project a naive view of karma on all sts entities of all densities?  Unbalanced maybe?  (Perhaps you do this in a negative state, but that's another matter.)

Haha. I think it's well and fine to want to accept the negative path but if to do so you fail at recognizing the essence of what the negative is then you hardly accept anything.

If like you say an entity is without negative karma then how exactly is it negative? You can go spend eons alone somewhere and that won't give you a negative charge, you need to interact with your reflection focused on what you reject to gain a negative charge. Both polarities work in the same mirror principle, but in an opposite charge of intelligent feedback.

I do not believe that my signature advocates for or against either or any path in particular.  The happiness and peace mentioned there are not the transient sort that can be bargained away, but the enduring sort born of the deepest knowledge of self.  And this deep knowledge is accessible, it seems, by the skillful practitioner who may enjoy the pathways of his choosing.  It's not for me to dictate.  On the other hand, if someone asks for help--and I might be able to help--then maybe I should offer some assistance?  Secondarily, although I am not advocating for the Path of Darkness, I do believe it deserves due respect, and in this thread, for some reason, I am taking on the role of pointing out the fact that the parity of that path with the Path of Light is often too subtle to be noticed by those who, basically--I'm guessing--are rather afraid of the deep Darkness.  That is, by defining a bit of moral superiority, they give themselves some distance from that particular dinner guest whom they would much prefer not to sit next to.

Honestly I've been the defender of the dark path on this forum much more than not, but here you seem to have an issue with it being defined as what it is.

I'm just saying it's dark, not that it is unwell to be or without worth, just that it is as you name it yourself.

[Diana]

I eat a ton of junk food, stay up all night every night, do drugs when I want, look at all the hentai and porn my parents took away when I was 12, listen to all the music they hated and that I had to hide from them, watch NC-17 rated movies, smoke ganja and drink, occasionally do psychedelics or hard drugs, say "f***" more than any person I know... those things are all great. You should get in touch with your inner 10 year-old. He knows what's up.

My working theories on the STS path:

Humans on a serious STS path would not eat junk. They would not do things to harm their bodies. They would care so much about their person (as STO individuals would also do well to do), they would avoid anything that wouldn't feed the body optimally. They would not impair intellectual functioning with excessive ganja and alcohol. Psychodelics would have to be very carefully used, as harm is done to the physical. STS individuals care about the physical; their bodies would be of great importance in securing a path of negative functioning while here. And I assume they are working on major life extension, if not already accomplished it for themselves. So any accumulating damage to the vehicle would be avoided.

Anyone choosing the STS path, in my opinion, would do well to turn attention inward (just as STO individuals would do well to do). The focus is different between the paths. The consensus that STS individuals use others and like to torture and be abusive I think may be skewed (though not in all cases). Rather, I think to the STS adept, others are secondary or incidental to their own purposes—gaining in power and self-love, optimizing the self, even pushing past the limits of perceived potential.

Focus, not self-indulgence, might be a more efficacious road to becoming an STS adept. Just being snarky and rebellious sounds more like a teenager's reaction (no offense intended; and it's understandable that humans get this way in the world). The STS adept (I think) wouldn't give a fig about being rebellious. He or she would be solely focused on gaining ground on the path. That path, because it only includes self, might leave others in their wake, but the point is to progress.

Self-indulgence without purpose and direction is much like feeding entropy.

[Sacred Fool]

I'm just saying it's dark, not that it is unwell to be or without worth, just that it is as you name it yourself.

I think we already knew that.

You & I seem to be talking past one another.  You're saying that the two have different content and that they are experientially different.  I agree.  They are not identical.  You also have demonstrated a consistent bias towards seeing only the dark side of negative path and you seem reluctant to accept that both members of the polarity have equal parity and are simply complementary, as the yin-yang symbol so eloquently depicts. 

In addition, there are overlapping aspects.  For example, when King Arthur's Knights of the Round Table proposed a quest to find the Holy Grail, Sir Gawain insisted that they should each go alone and enter the forest where it is darkest and where there is no path.  There was a reason for this.


On the other hand, as sto entities are sometimes discomfited by the occasional dark night of the soul, I wonder if sts entities are discomfited by the occasional illumination of the spirit?
 

[Infinite Unity]

Peregrine:On the other hand, as sto entities are sometimes discomfited by the occasional dark night of the soul, I wonder if sts entities are discomfited by the occasional illumination of the spirit?
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I think that's not to far off. For a funny reference=) Kylo Ren and his problems with being seduced by the light. Couple moments throughout the film he is obviously struggling with an internal conflict. I believe its a decent example of what you say above. Even though its a movie. However I think of it as those moments were Love seems to bubble up, and they must force it back down.

[Minyatur]

I'm just saying it's dark, not that it is unwell to be or without worth, just that it is as you name it yourself.

I think we already knew that.

You & I seem to be talking past one another.  You're saying that the two have different content and that they are experientially different.  I agree.  They are not identical.  You also have demonstrated a consistent bias towards seeing only the dark side of negative path and you seem reluctant to accept that both members of the polarity have equal parity and are simply complementary, as the yin-yang symbol so eloquently depicts. 

Oh but I expressed the unity of both path and their equivalent role in term of service in many threads before, so I'm somewhat suprised to come across as having such a bias. Especially in a thread I explicitly expressed associating myself with this path and that the thought of negative densities and entities does a lot of emulating love within my heart more than any emotion that reject or is blocked on the subject.

It's not that I'm making a point of just the dark side, but that it is the focus of the path in one's intent. Why do you want so much to see honored what wants to honor nothing? Even if I actually did not honor it and rejected it like you seem to think, then is that not a negative distortion that you say should be honored? I'd need a really strong negative polarity to be honored at dishonoring things?

In addition, there are overlapping aspects.  For example, when King Arthur's Knights of the Round Table proposed a quest to find the Holy Grail, Sir Gawain insisted that they should each go alone and enter the forest where it is darkest and where there is no path.  There was a reason for this.


On the other hand, as sto entities are sometimes discomfited by the occasional dark night of the soul, I wonder if sts entities are discomfited by the occasional illumination of the spirit?

I don't really separate entities by sto and sts, is not sts in the end merely a state an entity can find itself into for a time?

I can literally just look at their Higher Self (like they too can) to see them outside their blockages and negative polarity. Which brings us back to what was my initial point that you commented upon, which I'll try to express more clearly, that one can't erase their light and instead only abstract it in their awareness for a time.

I personally identify with Creator, and so negative and positive are states I can find myself into as both self and other-selves in different moments held together as one moment. I think of both as natural.

[Sacred Fool]

I don't really separate entities by sto and sts, is not sts in the end merely a state an entity can find itself into for a time?

I can literally just look at their Higher Self (like they too can) to see them outside their blockages and negative polarity. Which brings us back to what was my initial point that you commented upon, which I'll try to express more clearly, that one can't erase their light and instead only abstract it in their awareness for a time.

I personally identify with Creator, and so negative and positive are states I can find myself into as both self and other-selves in different moments held together as one moment.

Ah, I see now that we are talking past one another for reasons other than what I stated.  Was your ascension to identification with the Creator sudden or did it come about in discrete stages?

Why do you want so much to see honored what wants to honor nothing?

I feel that way because Darkness is an integral aspect of Creation as well as of the path of spiritual growth, and facility in working with such should be honored.  Take the Matrix of the Spirit, for example.  You can see the light in that if you wish, but to gain from the experience of it, darkness is what's there and it may just not care to honor anything else.  Failing to honor it, however, might be a mistake.

 

[Louisabell]

The negative path holds on blockages and paradoxes to work. I do think it is natural to be, but it is a path that accumulates regrets nevertheless, of which the fate comes to be known and accepted fully only in 6D.

No blockages nor paradoxes on the positive path?

Ra had regrets about their naivete.  So, what's the difference?

The difference is that one path seeks to resolve them and the other accumulates them. I think the differences between the paths are ultimately balanced at the unconscious level, but at the conscious level they differ a lot.

I think sometimes positives confuse dealing with their shadow self with the negative path itself. We all have the Beast within, as this is our primordial state. But as you polarise negative you also ascend out of this state and it becomes quite sophisticated. You wouldn't be very effective at control and manipulation if you didn't understand distortions. In fact you have to understand them exceptionally well.

You also don't polarize negative much unless your supplicants serve you out of their own freewill, therefore you don't accumulate Karma. Don't you think negative wisdom is a whole different course of study than wisdom which seeks to liberate? The technical details to progress can be very different.

I think it all serves us to respect the power of negative wisdom as I'm sure we've all fall prey to its influence through the subtle temptations that our friends "lovingly" offer us each time we make progress in the light.

[Minyatur]

I don't really separate entities by sto and sts, is not sts in the end merely a state an entity can find itself into for a time?

I can literally just look at their Higher Self (like they too can) to see them outside their blockages and negative polarity. Which brings us back to what was my initial point that you commented upon, which I'll try to express more clearly, that one can't erase their light and instead only abstract it in their awareness for a time.

I personally identify with Creator, and so negative and positive are states I can find myself into as both self and other-selves in different moments held together as one moment.

Ah, I see now that we are talking past one another for reasons other than what I stated.  Was your ascension to identification with the Creator sudden or did it come about in discrete stages?

I guess both sudden and discrete stages, kinda like finding yourself and realizing it.

Why do you want so much to see honored what wants to honor nothing?

I feel that way because Darkness is an integral aspect of Creation as well as of the path of spiritual growth, and facility in working with such should be honored.  Take the Matrix of the Spirit, for example.  You can see the light in that if you wish, but to gain from the experience of it, darkness is what's there and it may just not care to honor anything else.  Failing to honor it, however, might be a mistake.

The only way I'd associate negative polarity with Primordial Darkness is by considering polarity altogether as a play of Light (perception/knowing) and Darkness (non-perception/not knowing).

Polarity, both positive and negative, is more intimately tied to Light. There are many on the negative path that seek to return to a state of Primordial Darkness (non-perception), but they do so as Light rejecting Light, and also without understanding that Primordial Darkness whole is of itself the root of all Light, and so of what they reject. The gateway to Primordial Darkness is where Light is whole truly. It can only be reached without resistance and that is why the negative entity has to repolarize to resolve the Octave, because otherwise it of its own will keep itself here in not wanting to rejoin with Light Whole, not that positive entities don't face the same exact struggle but they're more focused on getting there despite their many resistances.

You also don't polarize negative much unless your supplicants serve you out of their own freewill, therefore you don't accumulate Karma. Don't you think negative wisdom is a whole different course of study than wisdom which seeks to liberate? The technical details to progress can be very different.

I think negative polarity in itself can be defined as a karma, of which the weight is faced in full when liberating one's own positive potential, to then be distilled through work of acceptance into positive polarity. What you call being without karma, is first of all, simply delaying that work by making it weight more (my digging a hole metaphor), and also misses that other-selves are self and so you're not really exempt from anything. I think a point I've tried to make, perhaps indirectly, is that repolarizing from negative to positive is not any joyful or small task, you're much more likely to go through a point you wished all you had as a negative effect had been focused upon your own self alone a billion times more strongly than you'd have wished you had effected any single other-self, following this comes acceptance and the perk of being positive is that you process these things one at a time and not accumulating literal freaking eons of it (exception be made of lower densities which serve this role). Maybe I'm misusing the term but to me Karma is tied in Unity as a unified fate, so the term doesn't make sense to me to be applied into seeing everything as separate, except I guess through focusing on sub-aspects of what it is when moving through illusionary constructs, which implies missing the greater scope of its dynamics. There's an aspect to Karma that relates to individual lessons, which plays with what you attract as a self, but there's also another aspect that you do live the cause and effect of yourself, which at our level we merely see ourselves as experiencing consciously the extension of the first distortion (first aspect), but also in the greater picture which adds literally everything that makes all things whole and united always.

To me the difference between two selves is not so much unlike the difference between you in two moments, which is all the more true regarding negative entities as they literally are able to see their own future self having found to be positive again. I also think nothing simply becomes a negative entity, at first it took confused-exploration to be perceived as a potential and now in addition to confusion there is the potential to absorb the karma of it from without. I think there even are positive entities that make the choice to go negative because they understand doing so as taking the karma of negativity upon themselves, in positive intent they allow themselves to lose sight of their light and become one with the already existing negative energy and their distortions.

I think you can't really not make it a karma, because as a self you can become negative through series of events while as an other-self you become positive through living different series of events. Polarity never defines a being, not anymore than being fat or thin defines any human's entire life. They're karmic states of a cause and effect greater than them.

[Mahakali]

Humans on a serious STS path would not eat junk. They would not do things to harm their bodies...

Yeah, that's what the demons keep bugging me about. Which is why I also said earlier in the thread:

I find that having a lusty mind can raise vibration, and  compulsive fapping is the one that does you in. I'm looking at an extended period of straight edge no fap dieting. I'll look at porn because I want to increase my sex hormone production, but I won't touch. Thus the energy has a way to build up.

I start in a couple days.

While these words resonate, I am left wondering... is it really okay to just ignore suffering entities and accept that they will be sucked into a vortex of pain and misery for the rest of their existence? I understand why the wise do not involve themselves with others, but still something in me says, "Make a difference". Otherwise, why even be here, and not in the outer planes engaging in much more rapid learn/teaching?

"You have no power here" was directed at Chris, not you.

I tend to help if I can do so conveniently. Or as long as it doesn't seriously hurt or kill me, depending upon the situation,