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    02-10-2011, 03:01 AM (This post was last modified: 02-10-2011, 07:26 AM by Derek.)
    (02-10-2011, 01:33 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (02-09-2011, 01:22 AM)Derek Wrote: Hi there, I absolutely agree that the music of the 60s and 70s was authentic.

    OK

    (02-09-2011, 01:22 AM)Derek Wrote: To further illustrate my point I'd like to point out that all forms of media are being used for brainwashing.

    OK, I'll agree with that...with the clarification that not all content conveyed in said media has been manipulated.

    (02-09-2011, 01:22 AM)Derek Wrote: Here is an excellent article written by David Wilcock (under the name art aqua) back around 2005.

    I haven't read that one yet...but I have read a lot of DW's opinions. I offer the alternative suggestion that, rather than assuming that all those movies, tv shows etc. have the same agenda, maybe it's simply that these themes are in the mass consciousness, and movie producers are picking up on that.

    We've all experienced suddenly thinking of something (a song, a book, an idea, whatever) then suddenly seeing it several times over the next few days. It's just the thoughform floating around in the mass consciousness.

    Having said that, I do agree that there's manipulation going on in the pop music industry. Not to be confused with genuine artists! I just read the article about Christina Aguillar and was horrified! Yes, I agree, it's quite clear that the imagery and symbolism used are intentional, and I doubt it's from Christina's creative mind. I found it all very creepy! (But then, I tend to find most pop music creepy anyway, for various reasons.)

    These pop stars aren't genuine musicians, or if they are, their creativity has been largely suppressed, in favor of manufactured syrup with little or no musical value, in my opinion.

    Genuine artists, on the other hand, write their own music, injecting their own passion into it, and it shows.

    I don't pay attention to pop music. There is too much authentic music out there to waste time on manufactured pop.

    (This is just my highly biased opinion on music and not intended to offend anyone - music is highly subjective and as a serious music connoisseur I readily admit to being very opinionated about it!)

    It would behoove anyone into pop to investigate this info, as I could tell just from that one article you posted, that there does seem to be some blatant manipulation going on, using magickal symbolism etc.

    Hi Monica, I really don't want to horrify you with this stuff. It can be very very heavy as I said. So much so that it really can affect a persons free will. Which is why I prefaced my original post with that disclaimer. There is alot of positive in the music industry and other forms of media. Partly due to positive factions and partly because people are so hungry for that content.


    My personal take on heavy metal music is that, if I can turn on the television and see nothing but fear, materialism, superficiality, lust, violence, ego and various illuminati philosophies and agendas with almost every single "program", then if I can go to the video store and see the same thing everywhere (which I did recently and it was appalling) and I can turn on most popular music and hear the same thing, and heavy metal artists are promoting these things as well it's a long jump for me to assume that they are not part of it.

    I think there are people who are essentially nihilists who basically believe that morals are a manifestation of weak mindedness, and believe they need to do whatever it takes to fight to the top and 'win'. Basically they are totally STS. If they need to release genetically engineered bioweapons in Africa they will do it, if they need to kill millions of people with various wars they will do it, if they need totally manipulate the public through the media, the food system, the education system and various other means they will absolutely do it.


    Here is that post by David Wilcock

    Quote:WE CHOSE TO WORK TOGETHER TO HELP CHANGE THINGS

    We now both feel that we chose to do this work together before we ever got here, as in Wanderer Awakening we're combining many newly-written songs with other appropriate material from Larry's private collection -- over 40 cassette tapes' worth of amazing, unreleased music, not counting reel-to-reel, eight track, two-inch tape and digital multitrack recording masters -- dating back some 40 years in time.

    I am deeply honored that Larry has chosen me to be the lead-singer and co-writer's voice through which this incredible treasure-trove of 'lost' original music will be presented to the world, as there is a desperate need for new music that sounds as good as the classics everyone's now chasing down through Itunes and the like.

    The negative elite controllers in this world saw the power of music to change society with the rise of Woodstock, and according to multiple insider testimonies, including ex-"Illuminati" whistleblowers, the Charles Manson murders were deliberately engineered to destroy the momentum for social change that the hippie movement had created.

    This further consolidated in ensuing decades as music was gradually watered down to those products that focused on dark, self-destructive lower-chakra and 'evil' themes (much of 80s rock and to some degree, 90s 'grunge' and alternative), sex (super-hot men and women with enough talent to carry erotic, soft-porn songs and videos) and violence (such as 'gangsta rap' and the like.)



    COUNTRY MUSIC: SOCIAL ENGINEERING?

    In private conversation Larry has told me a similar type of 'social engineering' seems to be in place with country music, where in addition to driving home the standard Republican Fundamentalist Christian values, there is ongoing repetition of an overarching Theme:

    - The man is a beer-drinking redneck who revels in the simple, often self-destructive pleasures of a country boy;

    - The woman is his more-intelligent sidekick who puts up with his childish BS but likes to complain about it;

    - The man ultimately defers to her, acknowledges she is a lot smarter and more mature, but resents his sense of lost masculinity in the process;

    - He supplies her endless new dramas along the way, including alcoholism and infidelity, perpetuating their cycle of unhappiness.

    In music the cycle goes on, and they usually end up staying together, but in real life these toxic tension-resolution cycles tear families and relationships apart -- and by extension, our society as a whole.

    Of course, as I pointed out in that conversation, there are many exceptions with truly great songs about love, family and being a good father, and Larry said yes -- those songs end up being huge hits, because everyone is so hungry for that content.



    THE 70S... AND WHY THEY ARE STILL RELEVANT

    I still consider the 70s as the true golden era of recorded music, where so much money was flowing through the industry that many various projects were recorded that would never have gotten a chance in later eras.

    The 'social engineering' aspect of the music industry was starting to seep in, but hadn't really taken hold at this point due to the massive diversity of material being released, and the speed with which the money was being pocketed.

    Lots of great content made its way through to the listener in a dazzling array of genres, and I'm still discovering amazing 'new' material from the 70s the more I research it.

    The fierce competition and explosive growth of live music groups, particularly after the amazing social ramifications of Woodstock as I wrote in an earlier David's Blog entry, also led to musicians becoming much more advanced than what now often passes for music -- though there are many delightful exceptions for those willing to explore.

    As I've said before, the proficiency started tapering off more and more as the 80s gave rise to the industry putting preferential weight on looks, and 'sure-fire' formulaic songwriting, over craft and musicianship.



    MICHAEL JACKSON: A GAME-CHANGER

    One could argue that Michael Jackson's unbelievably profitable album "Thriller" -- beginning with its first enormous hit, "Billie Jean" -- really was the turning-point in which everyone realized that the biggest bucks could be made in combining looks, dancing and photogenic sass in music videos with the existing musical content itself.

    "Thriller" was the most profitable music project in human history. The whole scope of what it meant to be a recording artist fundamentally changed.

    Working in the film industry myself, I have seen firsthand how readily producers chase after trends in the hopes of cashing in as much as possible -- and Michael Jackson, with the unprecedented amount of spinoffs being generated including multi-zippered red leather jackets, single rhinestone gloves and their many facsimiles, Pepsi endorsements, arena tours, you name it -- triggered the industry equivalent of a massive gold rush.

    Within a short time this music-video revolution led to a new fixation: if you didn't have a highly attractive physical appearance, and the ability to dance your @$$ off in most genres besides rock and country, you barely had a chance. Then one could argue the rise of pre-recorded 'loops' further eliminated the need for aspiring musicians to spend years developing their facility on an instrument.

    http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option...BItemid=70

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    02-10-2011, 04:25 AM
    (02-10-2011, 03:01 AM)Derek Wrote: I really don't want to horrify you with this stuff. It can be very very heavy as I said. So much so that it really can affect a persons free will.
    You don't? Well why do you then focus on this stuff so much? And really you believe someone can influence your free will if you don't want to? That is putting a lot of power into these things OUTSIDE yourself...

    (02-10-2011, 03:01 AM)Derek Wrote: ..if I can turn on the television and see nothing but fear, materialism, superficiality, lust, violence, ego and various illuminati philosophies and agendas with almost every single "program", then if I can go to the video store and see the same thing everywhere ...

    Wierd because when I turn on the TV I see for example...
    this http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2191
    or I see muslims and catholics side by side on Tahrir Square in Cairo, peacefully chanting for change in Egypt.
    I think it is a choice everyone has to make... do you focus on the positive or on the negative? Do you chose love or fear?
    You will be surprised to see, if you chose love, it will show up in the most incredible places. Even on TV! Smile
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    02-10-2011, 07:16 AM (This post was last modified: 02-10-2011, 07:23 AM by Derek.)
    (02-10-2011, 04:25 AM)Meerie Wrote:
    (02-10-2011, 03:01 AM)Derek Wrote: I really don't want to horrify you with this stuff. It can be very very heavy as I said. So much so that it really can affect a persons free will.
    You don't? Well why do you then focus on this stuff so much? And really you believe someone can influence your free will if you don't want to? That is putting a lot of power into these things OUTSIDE yourself...

    (02-10-2011, 03:01 AM)Derek Wrote: ..if I can turn on the television and see nothing but fear, materialism, superficiality, lust, violence, ego and various illuminati philosophies and agendas with almost every single "program", then if I can go to the video store and see the same thing everywhere ...

    Wierd because when I turn on the TV I see for example...
    this http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2191
    or I see muslims and catholics side by side on Tahrir Square in Cairo, peacefully chanting for change in Egypt.
    I think it is a choice everyone has to make... do you focus on the positive or on the negative? Do you chose love or fear?
    You will be surprised to see, if you chose love, it will show up in the most incredible places. Even on TV! Smile

    I believe it's very valuable to be informed, and I was sharing my honest opinion
    as to the subject of this thread. The intent was loving and heart centered.

    The intense emotion generated by those links is enough to interrupt someones free will NOT to feel those emotions. Which is why I put that disclaimer, so that they could know what they were getting themselves into. Again, this was loving and heart centered.

    Like I said, some of it is positive. The vast majority focuses on fear,
    materialism, superficiality, propaganda, ego, violence, sex and various illuminati agendas and philosophies. This is a fact.

    I'm simply contributing to this thread in a way that I believe to be valuable. Several people may find great value in the information I shared.

    You seem to be making alot of personal statements without much information Smile I have studied alot about these subjects, but I try not to focus on them anymore.

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    02-10-2011, 12:26 PM (This post was last modified: 02-11-2011, 01:35 PM by Monica.)
    (02-10-2011, 07:16 AM)Derek Wrote: I'm simply contributing to this thread in a way that I believe to be valuable. Several people may find great value in the information I shared.

    I have found your contributions valuable, Derek. I don't listen to manufactured pop at all, so I don't pay attention to it and had no idea. This info is within the scope of this thread (well, sort of...not exactly metal! Wink. It is simply info, and we can all choose what to do with it.

    I find the manufactured pop far more insidious than the authentic rock that is an expression of authentic feelings, lower-chakra-based though they may be. I'll take authentic party music over engineered 'music' any day.

    What people might not realize is how much great music there is out there. There are many independent labels, and many bands promoting their music on the internet, without being beholden to the corporate music industry. I continue to be astonished at just how many great bands continue to create authentic music.

    By authentic I mean music that has been created as art, as opposed to being a commodity and formulated based on what will sell.

    David Wilcock's article seems to focus on the pop; the stuff fed to the masses by the big labels. A lot of those bands started out authentic but fell prey to the corporate music industry.

    For example, in the late 70s and early 80s we had a New Wave of highly creative music. Talking Heads, Simple Minds, Psychedelic Furs, B-52's and many others each highly unique and refreshingly independent. I was there. We saw many of these bands in small clubs. It was like a repeat of the late 60s/70s in the sense that there was such a huge wave of creativity! We couldn't keep up with all the new bands popping up, each one with their own unique flavor. Good times.

    But then, in the early 80s, one by one those bands got picked up by major record label, and, to our horror, they became homogenized. They lost their spirit, musically, and became formulas for pop success.

    Those musicians had to earn a living too, so who am I to blame them? What started out as passionate creativity turned into a job.

    One serious artist who outsmarted the corporate record industry is Peter Gabriel. He intentionally created a pop-accessible album which generated hits, so much 'SO' that many people still think of him as an 80s artist.

    But he did it intentionally, to generate enough $$ to break free of the corporate bondage. He took the $$ and, rather than continue to generate more hits like the record companies wanted, he used the $$ to build his own studio, and is now totally independent.

    He then went on to create serious albums which weren't pop-accessible, and even did the unthinkable - soundtracks! Movie soundtracks don't have hits and are a death sentence to a pop career. But his soundtracks all have very deep, serious music which is appreciated by his serious fans.

    And, he opened the doors of his studio and started Real World Records, his own label which promotes ethnic music from all over the world. He seeks out serious artists and gives them a chance to get their music out. It's quite a beautiful service he offers. Meanwhile, he continues to produce quality music.

    Peter Gabriel outsmarted the system, but unfortunately most musicians aren't able to do that and end up stuck. However, if you set aside the pop genre, there is plenty out there that isn't manufactured and has substance.

    http://petergabriel.com/
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    02-11-2011, 03:06 AM
    (02-10-2011, 07:16 AM)Derek Wrote: You seem to be making alot of personal statements without much information Smile I have studied alot about these subjects, but I try not to focus on them anymore.

    Well I thought that is what this site is for... sharing opinions? Statements? every statement I make here is naturally personal, just like yours and everyone elses...
    spreading illuminati and other conspiracy stuff (or fear porn as someone else on this thread put it) may be your definition of "studying" or information but it surely is not mine Smile

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    02-11-2011, 03:20 AM (This post was last modified: 02-11-2011, 03:25 AM by Derek.)
    (02-11-2011, 03:06 AM)Meerie Wrote:
    (02-10-2011, 07:16 AM)Derek Wrote: You seem to be making alot of personal statements without much information Smile I have studied alot about these subjects, but I try not to focus on them anymore.

    Well I thought that is what this site is for... sharing opinions? Statements? every statement I make here is naturally personal, just like yours and everyone elses...
    spreading illuminati and other conspiracy stuff (or fear porn as someone else on this thread put it) may be your definition of "studying" or information but it surely is not mine Smile

    Sorry if there was a misunderstanding. I meant personal statements about me personally such as "why do you focus on this stuff so much".

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    02-11-2011, 03:45 AM
    Ah no, sorry I did not mean to cause offense Smile
    I will leave you now, did not mean to derail the thread any further...
    love and light (and have a wonderful weekend Smile)
    Meerie
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    02-11-2011, 10:04 AM (This post was last modified: 02-11-2011, 10:22 AM by BlatzAdict.)
    (02-10-2011, 04:25 AM)Meerie Wrote: You don't? Well why do you then focus on this stuff so much? And really you believe someone can influence your free will if you don't want to? That is putting a lot of power into these things OUTSIDE yourself...

    alright diva you tell him... i'll be your back up singer.. love love love love love ooooohhhhhhhhhh yeeeeaaa

    here's my resume:
    http://trololololololololololo.com/

    i'm probably jumping in late. oh whupps. hmmm
    ok now i'm caught up Tongue
    eh i don't know i sort of agree with both of u. it's nice to be informed and all, but this is the nature of duality. you can see darkness and light in anything you wish to dissect.
    again I stick with my statement, I don't really know if I was argumentative or not. The point is, focus on what you want not what you don't want.
    Otherwise get out of the way.. I'm bulldozing and paving light for the harvest.
    Don't mess up my lightscaping please. lol

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    02-11-2011, 04:00 PM
    A song about uniting Alpha and Omega.
    This is one of my most hardcore songs I love it. SHE SCREAMS I LOVE IT. HE SCREAMS I LOVE IT
    this is punk at it's finest.

    Thulsa Doom - Both Human
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZafVh-m23k


    We're Both Human

    We are both human and we breathe the same air
    we are both valued in this world that we share
    together we bare children we must have each other
    the world needs a mother and the world needs a father

    Men should not be dominant nor should they demand control
    cause women are their mothers, daughters, sisters to behold
    he should not abuse her nor strip her of her rights
    just because she's smaller and cannot put up a fight
    let me be a woman without having to be afraid
    let me hold my head up high and not down like a slave
    I have strenght of mind and heart greater than your brawn
    you can beat me into submission but my soul cannot be torn

    Love your mother and your sister and be proud to bare a daughter
    treat men and women with respect cause neither is better than the other
    love is something that you share not something that you take
    a man should never violate no women falsely cry out rape
    let me be a man without having to be a brute
    let me hold you in my arms to care for you and comfort you
    I may be strong of body but I too have a heart and soul
    love me like a brother and don't treat me like a foe



    Next time someone says metal is evil.. I'm gonna say NO YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

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    02-12-2011, 03:37 AM (This post was last modified: 02-12-2011, 05:06 AM by Monica.)
    I usually detest rap, but OMG this is awesome! Peter Gabriel on backing vocals.

    We Want Peace

    Getting back to METAL...

    This is ART:

    Nightwish The Poet And The Pendulum

    Mmmm...and the same band does stuff like this:

    Nightwish - The Islander

    And another example of authentic, non-manufactured metal, alive and well!

    Sonata Arctica - Don't Say a Word

    Sonata Arctica - Silence

    And did you know that there is such a thing as Cello Metal?

    Apocalypica - Quutamo

    Apocalyptica - Hope

    Is that awesome or what??

    And here's an Israeli band actively working for peace amongst the Abrahamic religions:

    Orphaned Land - Norra El Norra

    Orphaned Land Interview (about peace amongst the religions)

    I saw these guys live recently, and the singer's light was so bright I had to wear sunglasses.

    Open thy eyes and be as ONE...

    One of many great bands on Century Media...an alternative label that supports the free expression of original, creative metal bands.

    There's a metal 'archives' website where you can search for bands by letter...there are about 500 entries for the letter N alone.

    Despite their efforts to control it, creative music, as art, is alive and well!

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    02-13-2011, 02:01 AM
    i was watching this video.
    and I found it so pertinent to this conversation and agreeable with what i've been saying in this thread.

    Little Grandmother's Message for 2011
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHyOdZRNUD4

    the main message is.. if there is negativity in whatever you read, see, hear.
    Tune it out.
    we're here to bring love and light to the planet.
    It comes with our thoughts, actions, and our emotions. Each time we act, think or feel in a positive manner, it sends out that energy.

    Yes it's hard. Yes I cry here and there along the way, but I keep trying to stand back up to step into that light.

    To be love.
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    (02-11-2011, 10:04 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: alright diva you tell him... i'll be your back up singer.. love love love love love ooooohhhhhhhhhh yeeeeaaa

    here's my resume:
    http://trololololololololololo.com/

    i'm probably jumping in late. oh whupps. hmmm
    ok now i'm caught up Tongue
    eh i don't know i sort of agree with both of u. it's nice to be informed and all, but this is the nature of duality. you can see darkness and light in anything you wish to dissect.

    haha... you can have the lead vocals, I think I am better as the background girl...(not much of a singer myselfBlush)
    for the rest I agree with you 100%. Love your positive vibes, man Heart
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    05-08-2011, 09:23 AM
    bump for transiten

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    05-08-2011, 04:26 PM
    Being a musician, and having played in a number of metal bands, I can say that for myself I am turned off from a lot of "extreme" metal. Most black/death metal lost its appeal for me as it gradually became more of an image and mask to wear than the original expression of Anger. I don't think any music is particularly "dark" or "negative" but I do think that music is heavily intertwined with emotion and it is certainly possible to over-identify with the images some music presents. Realistically, I think it's best to just be honest about your preferences. I agree in the way that I'm not a fan of pop, rap and the like, but I also won't deny the compliments if I hear these things being done WELL. (Michael Jackson, Tupac, etc)

    Honestly, I am incredibly interested in the properties of sounds and frequencies and although it is a choice I do get a lingering feeling that music can often be a source of identity for some people.

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    05-08-2011, 04:47 PM
    (05-08-2011, 04:26 PM)Azrael Wrote: Being a musician, and having played in a number of metal bands, I can say that for myself I am turned off from a lot of "extreme" metal. Most black/death metal lost its appeal for me

    That happens in every genre. It becomes formulaic and after awhile there are so many copycat bands that it's hard to tell them apart.

    Azrael, since you are one of few in this community familiar with the genre, I'm curious what your opinion is of the harsh vocals used in black/death metal. There are many bands in the genre whose music I love, but I cannot handle the harsh vocals. So I am curious what you think of it, in terms of vibration/frequency.

    (05-08-2011, 04:26 PM)Azrael Wrote: I don't think any music is particularly "dark" or "negative" but I do think that music is heavily intertwined with emotion

    I see music (real music anyway, as opposed to manufactured pop) as primarily expression of emotion. So music can be as dark as the emotions that inspired it. I don't see that as evil but as an expression, which can actually help transform the emotions.

    (05-08-2011, 04:26 PM)Azrael Wrote: and it is certainly possible to over-identify with the images some music presents.

    This can be especially true for those who limit themselves to one genre and never venture beyond it.

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    Yeah, well unfortunately the fact of "industry" causes people to restrict themselves to the sounds they hear outside, instead of creating the sounds within themselves, in my opinion.

    To be honest I just feel like I am preferential to cleaner vocals, although I do like rough ones. Some are just "over-the-top" I find, in that they actually become ineffective because they are often one dimensional. I can be picky about production sometimes, I like analog and 80's bands the most, with some 70's proto-metal being excellent. As far as vibrational frequencies go, these bands are often dissonant in nature, however WHY is a whole other question. Perhaps there is catalyst needed? I always try to think of the biggest picture possible, it's not just music, it's music on this whole planet Earth, made by tons of different kinds of people all expressing their inner planes through sound manifestation and creative artistry. Not only that, but some people are even preferential to NO music. There is kind of two sides to it, the natural intuitive musicianship, and the artist's constructive capacities. A big problem is not the band members but the PRODUCERS whom are the hand of the label around the "product". Of course, this isn't all producers, but I'm sure you understand the "modern" sound I'm referring to. A lot of poor musicians get suckered in to contracts and have to create a persona to meet the demands. Although, is this preferential to those people? Do I really have any right to project such a judgement? I can't really say, I can only speak what I feel and what comes to my mind. The thoughts are the thoughts.

    I think "dark" and "light" are absolutely gross in their connotations, even negative and positive carry images of bias. Left, Right, I mean, if we must move forward the only other choice is which way to turn.

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    05-16-2011, 04:07 PM
    I have to throw in my 2 cents on this one, I am a metal girl and love music which some people might be horrified by!!

    There is a lot of rubbish in any genre, especially metal, but for me it's the amazing and original bands that make it all worthwhile!

    I find pop music far more "evil" because it is usually about shallow, superficial self-worship, or usually about sex and is marketed at children. Also there is no passion or technicality in the music, it is just electronic tones or beats stolen from other earlier artists. It makes my brain physically hurt!

    Sure there is Satanic metal out there, but metal covers many many many different sub-genre's! My favourite is Pagan Folk metal such as Agalloch and Moonsorrow. The music is INCREDIBLE, and it's about nature. There are a couple of bands that would be considered Satanic that I love (Black Sabbath, Dodheimsgard) but my thought there is that these bands usually only have a basic Christian overview of "Satan" (evil being, lives in Hell) rather than what I truly believe Satan to be (the media, hollywood, pop music etc) so for me it's just not a big deal and it doesn't make me feel "evil" to listen to it. As for the vibrational level, I find it increases mine because I just love the music so much. As for lyrics, most of what I listen to isn't even in English and I actually love the screaming. I used to hate it but then I got used to it and now it's totally fine. Screaming/growling is just a texture, nothing to be scared of.

    Also metal culture as a whole is harmless (aside from the couple of nut jobs that ruin it for everyone, but that is also in every culture). Metal people just mostly want to drink beer and sit around listening to music, they don't usually do other drugs (except for a bit of weed) and they don't go out starting fights or bashing up police.

    Music taste, like religion, is an extremely personal thing and no two people ever like/believe exactly the same thing, but in my opinion metal is the last thing anyone should be afraid of spiritually.

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    05-16-2011, 04:10 PM
    (05-16-2011, 04:07 PM)Nyu Wrote: metal is the last thing anyone should be afraid of spiritually.

    Pretty much sums it up.

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    05-16-2011, 04:22 PM
    (05-16-2011, 04:07 PM)Nyu Wrote: I have to throw in my 2 cents on this one, I am a metal girl and love music which some people might be horrified by!!

    There is a lot of rubbish in any genre, especially metal, but for me it's the amazing and original bands that make it all worthwhile!

    Agreed!

    (05-16-2011, 04:07 PM)Nyu Wrote: I find pop music far more "evil" because it is usually about shallow, superficial self-worship, or usually about sex and is marketed at children. Also there is no passion or technicality in the music, it is just electronic tones or beats stolen from other earlier artists. It makes my brain physically hurt!

    Agreed! BigSmile

    (05-16-2011, 04:07 PM)Nyu Wrote: Sure there is Satanic metal out there, but metal covers many many many different sub-genre's! My favourite is Pagan Folk metal such as Agalloch and Moonsorrow. The music is INCREDIBLE, and it's about nature.

    Oh, I love both those bands! I saw Moonsorrow recently and I was immediately transported back to a medieval lifetime. I had an intense spiritual experience, right there at the show, with tears streaming down my face! That Moonsorrow show was one of the most spiritually intense concerts I've ever been to, and I've been to over 300 concerts.

    (05-16-2011, 04:07 PM)Nyu Wrote: There are a couple of bands that would be considered Satanic that I love (Black Sabbath, Dodheimsgard) but my thought there is that these bands usually only have a basic Christian overview of "Satan" (evil being, lives in Hell) rather than what I truly believe Satan to be (the media, hollywood, pop music etc) so for me it's just not a big deal and it doesn't make me feel "evil" to listen to it.

    Agreed!

    (05-16-2011, 04:07 PM)Nyu Wrote: As for the vibrational level, I find it increases mine because I just love the music so much. As for lyrics, most of what I listen to isn't even in English and I actually love the screaming. I used to hate it but then I got used to it and now it's totally fine. Screaming/growling is just a texture, nothing to be scared of.

    Funny, I have gotten used to some of it...for example I used to not be able to handle Dark Tranquillity, but now I am ok with the vocals because the rest of the music is so awesome, and because Mikael is always smiling during the concerts. I've seen them live and his light is very bright!

    Many others though, I still cannot stand. I miss a lot of great music because of the vocals. I prefer good singing and just don't understand the throaty growling.

    (05-16-2011, 04:07 PM)Nyu Wrote: Also metal culture as a whole is harmless (aside from the couple of nut jobs that ruin it for everyone, but that is also in every culture). Metal people just mostly want to drink beer and sit around listening to music, they don't usually do other drugs (except for a bit of weed) and they don't go out starting fights or bashing up police.

    Yeah, it's so funny, whenever I go to a metal show, I marvel at how so many of the people there look so 'tough' but are actually just normal people and actually very nice once you start talking to them.

    (05-16-2011, 04:07 PM)Nyu Wrote: Music taste, like religion, is an extremely personal thing and no two people ever like/believe exactly the same thing, but in my opinion metal is the last thing anyone should be afraid of spiritually.

    I would agree with that overall, with the exception being some black/death metal bands that I consider truly very dark.
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    05-16-2011, 05:19 PM
    The darker it is, the less threatening it should be, imo. I'd be more wary of those darknesses that have tasted the light.

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    05-16-2011, 05:35 PM
    (05-16-2011, 05:19 PM)Azrael Wrote: The darker it is, the less threatening it should be, imo. I'd be more wary of those darknesses that have tasted the light.

    That's a bit cryptic! Can you elaborate?

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    The deeper one is in darkness, the weaker they truly are, and realistically the lower on the "heirarchy". Why is this so? Those darknesses whom control the others are those who have learned to use the light, but have not discerned its true nature. "Good" and "evil" (to use aphorisms) both use the same force, to the same end, through reciprocal means. Ignorance is not nearly as dangerous as malicious wisdom.

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    05-16-2011, 06:18 PM
    (05-16-2011, 04:22 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Oh, I love both those bands! I saw Moonsorrow recently and I was immediately transported back to a medieval lifetime. I had an intense spiritual experience, right there at the show, with tears streaming down my face! That Moonsorrow show was one of the most spiritually intense concerts I've ever been to, and I've been to over 300 concerts.

    You've seen them live?? *swoons* I live in Aus and cannot afford to go to Europe to see them yet, but it is my dream some day!!

    If you're game to try I urge you to check out an album called "Dawnbearer" by the band Hexvessel (you can find a few songs on youtube). It is in the style of 60's Occult Canterbury Folk Rock - so it is dark themed (Voodoo-esque) but it is just mind blowing! It is very soft and quirky and they use natural instruments and the singer is just the best thing I have ever heard in my life. His voice is so pure and crystalline, yet strange and just beautiful. I don't know why but this music makes my heart vibrate at a very high level when I listen to it. I feel like this guy is definitely a special talent. Heart x 1,000,000

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    05-16-2011, 06:34 PM (This post was last modified: 05-16-2011, 06:35 PM by Monica.)
    (05-16-2011, 06:18 PM)Nyu Wrote: You've seen them live?? *swoons* I live in Aus and cannot afford to go to Europe to see them yet, but it is my dream some day!!

    I can relate! That's how I feel about some bands that only play Europe but never come here! I saw Moonsorrow at a small club in Austin Texas, and they weren't even the headliner.

    (05-16-2011, 06:18 PM)Nyu Wrote: If you're game to try I urge you to check out an album called "Dawnbearer" by the band Hexvessel (you can find a few songs on youtube). It is in the style of 60's Occult Canterbury Folk Rock - so it is dark themed (Voodoo-esque) but it is just mind blowing! It is very soft and quirky and they use natural instruments and the singer is just the best thing I have ever heard in my life. His voice is so pure and crystalline, yet strange and just beautiful. I don't know why but this music makes my heart vibrate at a very high level when I listen to it. I feel like this guy is definitely a special talent. Heart x 1,000,000

    I'm always game to try new music! I'll check it out! Thanks for the recommendation!

    If you like folk rock/metal then you will probably like ELUVEITIE. This song is acoustic but most of their stuff has both harsh vocals and female vocals. I saw them live too.

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    05-16-2011, 07:03 PM
    Interesting, these bands are very different from my own tastes in metal. As far as "folk"ish metal I personally like Slough Feg and Mael Mordha, and The Hammers of Misfortune's albums before their latest one. I did like Moonsorrow at one point, and Amon Amarth, but I don't have much of a nordic attraction.

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    05-16-2011, 07:33 PM
    (05-16-2011, 07:03 PM)Azrael Wrote: Interesting, these bands are very different from my own tastes in metal. As far as "folk"ish metal I personally like Slough Feg and Mael Mordha, and The Hammers of Misfortune's albums before their latest one. I did like Moonsorrow at one point, and Amon Amarth, but I don't have much of a nordic attraction.

    I'm not familiar with the first 2 your mentioned. I've seen Amon Amarth live, and they were too, um, driving for me. I like intense, heavy music when it has lush, melodic overtones, but I don't much care for it otherwise. My son is a huge Amon Amarth fan and just saw them live again recently, for the 2nd time. (I declined this time.)

    I list some of the bands I like in my profile.

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    05-16-2011, 07:40 PM
    The first two are more heavy metal and doom metal in style, I'm not so in to the harsh stuff anymore except on occasion. Even then I prefer stuff like Venom and Root over stuff like Darkthrone or Cannibal Corpse aha

    Also, if you missed it I elaborated a few posts back on what I meant.

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    05-16-2011, 07:46 PM
    (05-16-2011, 07:40 PM)Azrael Wrote: The first two are more heavy metal and doom metal in style, I'm not so in to the harsh stuff anymore except on occasion. Even then I prefer stuff like Venom and Root over stuff like Darkthrone or Cannibal Corpse aha

    Also, if you missed it I elaborated a few posts back on what I meant.

    I saw it - thanks!

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    I would wonder what you would think of this style of doom metal? Despondant in nature.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B9yKuv-4...re=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke7B0zNiDE8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LdGq7ksxE

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    05-16-2011, 08:11 PM (This post was last modified: 05-16-2011, 08:32 PM by Monica.)
    (05-16-2011, 07:52 PM)Azrael Wrote: I would wonder what you would think of this style of doom metal? Despondant in nature.

    I generally don't care for doom metal, except maybe in small doses. It's too downer for me, or maybe I am too impatient for it. Wink

    I liked the vocals on the first band, Warning, enough to want to hear more, but in a different style of music. Are all their songs such a slow tempo? That vocalist was really good.
    (05-16-2011, 07:52 PM)Azrael Wrote: I would wonder what you would think of this style of doom metal? Despondant in nature.

    Here's a vintage gem - perhaps the grandaddy to despondent vocals, but with music that's incredible. Keep in mind the music is probably way older than you are, haha. Listen all the way thru - it gets interesting!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nTGTCSGj30

    And this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3VEbQDN3eA

    Start at 3:10. Are those vocals exquisitely intense or what?

    And this next one, you're not allowed to not like:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YLYE_6DDOo

    (haha just kidding! I'm a bit biased on these, heh. I consider them classics, masterpieces even.)

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