3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview)

[zenmaster]

Ra says the 2D body is what our mind/spirit complex enters. What we enter is what we inherit genetically. (This is in regards to your mating idea for 4d bodies.)

[Oceania]

the 3D body is more uh, complex than the 2D body. that's how i see it.

[unity100]

Ra says the 2D body is what our mind/spirit complex enters. What we enter is what we inherit genetically. (This is in regards to your mating idea for 4d bodies.)

im not able to find the section of lawofone.info that was explaining different density's bodies.

[3DMonkey]

Hyperventilating into a brown paper bag ;-)

[zenmaster]

Ra says the 2D body is what our mind/spirit complex enters. What we enter is what we inherit genetically. (This is in regards to your mating idea for 4d bodies.)

im not able to find the section of lawofone.info that was explaining different density's bodies.

47.8: ..."The orange-ray body is the physical body complex. This body complex is still not the body you inhabit but rather the body formed without self-awareness, the body in the womb before the spirit/mind complex enters. "...

The spirit/mind complex is anything 3D and later (after the 2D entity becomes enspirited).

The 3D 'body' is the 3D genetic overlay provided by the 3D mind/complex, both personal and societal (just as is indicated by the solar-plexus chakra). This is provided by the yellow-ray core vibration material formed by yellow-ray planetary instreaming.

The 4D 'body' is the 4D genetic overlay provided by the 4D mind/complex, individual. This is provided by the green-ray core vibration material formed by green-ray planetary instreaming (and by ectoplasm).

"It is correct that there is a correlation between the energy field of an entity of your nature and planetary bodies, for all material is constructed by means of the dynamic tension of the magnetic field. "

Each successive native body is a reflection of more and more awareness or intelligence, commensurate with the mind/spirit complex's current evolution (and the local planet's).

Harvest is the placement of the mind/spirit complex into the resonating, localized space/time field of awareness (a planet). You could say you are 'harvested' each time you die, with the exception of the body upgrade and potential locus change (and sub-logos change) due to the need to find an appropriate environment.

[3DMonkey]

I was listening to the audio today. Some interesting quotes on genetics:

18.14 Questioner: Can you tell me how Yahweh communicated to Earth’s people?
Ra: I am Ra. This is a somewhat complex question.

The first communication was what you would call genetic. The second communication was the walking among your peoples to produce further genetic changes in consciousness. The third was a series of dialogues with chosen channels.

18.17 Questioner: Can you tell me the difference between the sexual programming prior to Yahweh’s intervention and after intervention?
Ra: I am Ra. This is a question which we can only answer by stating that intervention by genetic means is the same no matter what the source of this change.

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...&sc=1&ss=1

[unity100]

Ra says the 2D body is what our mind/spirit complex enters. What we enter is what we inherit genetically. (This is in regards to your mating idea for 4d bodies.)

im not able to find the section of lawofone.info that was explaining different density's bodies.

47.8: ..."The orange-ray body is the physical body complex. This body complex is still not the body you inhabit but rather the body formed without self-awareness, the body in the womb before the spirit/mind complex enters. "...

The spirit/mind complex is anything 3D and later (after the 2D entity becomes enspirited).

The 3D 'body' is the 3D genetic overlay provided by the 3D mind/complex, both personal and societal (just as is indicated by the solar-plexus chakra). This is provided by the yellow-ray core vibration material formed by yellow-ray planetary instreaming.

The 4D 'body' is the 4D genetic overlay provided by the 4D mind/complex, individual. This is provided by the green-ray core vibration material formed by green-ray planetary instreaming (and by ectoplasm).

"It is correct that there is a correlation between the energy field of an entity of your nature and planetary bodies, for all material is constructed by means of the dynamic tension of the magnetic field. "

Each successive native body is a reflection of more and more awareness or intelligence, commensurate with the mind/spirit complex's current evolution (and the local planet's).

Harvest is the placement of the mind/spirit complex into the resonating, localized space/time field of awareness (a planet). You could say you are 'harvested' each time you die, with the exception of the body upgrade and potential locus change (and sub-logos change) due to the need to find an appropriate environment.

you seem to be counting down the meaning of genetics in these. you are portraying a situation in which a 2d body is capable as 3d body. its as if there will be no genetic change in between 3d bodies through 4d bodies.

it is not. 2d body lacks the capability of fine movement and control and resulting manipulating its environment, also communication. this is why maldek entities incarnated into these bodies for karma alleviation.

actually this is moot, because we are told that there are going to be changes in the bodies through evolution to produce the 4d body.

[Raman]

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(Yesterday 04:34 PM)unity100 Wrote: it is also possible to interpret the volatility statement in regard to many other concepts, like possibilities of war, genetic modification, hampering conditions, this, that.


So are you thinking that the 100-700 years might refer to the period before the opening of the gateway?


nay, the transition to 4d bodies and full 4d civilization.

Volatility of people as in events to the planet itself prior to opening of gateway -----> Great Harvest. That's how I understand it.

It seems conditions (wars, other destruction) will affect transition (after the opening of gateway).


Good thing is that it seems something like Maldek/Mars destructions won't be a part of this nexus.

[zenmaster]

you seem to be counting down the meaning of genetics in these.

'Genetics' are the 'blueprint' for the interconnect between body and mind complex or body and mind/spirit complex, regardless of density. I was merely suggesting that the source of genetic material also evolves through the densities, which is logical. 'Material' itself is analogous concept past 1st density, obviously. That is, each density has an ever expanding analog of time/space and space/time which is what determines how light and energy are manifested.

Two bodies - 3D and 4D activated before birth - neither parent dual-activated. That means mind/spirit complex had provided 4D genetic material itself. So where does this 4D mating idea of yours originate?

[unity100]

Two bodies - 3D and 4D activated before birth - neither parent dual-activated. That means mind/spirit complex had provided 4D genetic material itself. So where does this 4D mating idea of yours originate?

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#27

63.27 Questioner: I will make this statement and have you correct me. What we have is, as our planet is spiraled by the spiraling action of the entire major galaxy and our planetary system spirals into the new position, the fourth-density vibrations becoming more and more pronounced. These atomic core vibrations begin to create, more and more completely, the fourth-density sphere and the fourth-density bodily complexes for inhabitation of that sphere. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. To be corrected is the concept of the creation of green-ray density bodily complexes. This creation will be gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes.

[zenmaster]

Two bodies - 3D and 4D activated before birth - neither parent dual-activated. That means mind/spirit complex had provided 4D genetic material itself. So where does this 4D mating idea of yours originate?

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#27

63.27 Questioner: I will make this statement and have you correct me. What we have is, as our planet is spiraled by the spiraling action of the entire major galaxy and our planetary system spirals into the new position, the fourth-density vibrations becoming more and more pronounced. These atomic core vibrations begin to create, more and more completely, the fourth-density sphere and the fourth-density bodily complexes for inhabitation of that sphere. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. To be corrected is the concept of the creation of green-ray density bodily complexes. This creation will be gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes.

Yes, yes. But, the question is why does that necessarily mean the increasingly 4d body owners should mate with each other in order to produce increasingly 4d bodies? That seems to presuppose that the individuals conceiving contribute directly to the 4D body via their own material, instead of the 4D material being aggregated from the environment itself. I'm suggesting this because, obviously, the first dual-activated entity did not have any 4D contribution from parent.

It's also a strong possibility that 3D genetic material has little to do with parents - as Ra said, the 2d human body is what becomes enspirited to form the 3d human body...

[Raman]

It is very challenging not to part from the view of linear progression since it seems so obvious and "common sense" due the fossil records, history, etc is simply what is going on. However, evolution does not only goes from bottom to top but from top to bottom.

Ra seem to provide a continuance to "common sense" and how the sub-Logos (and Galatic Logos) have planned this so called evolution to occur. But also, the sub-Logos provides up to 3rd density (even though it was disturbed by Yaweh for example) we can see that if no intervention were to occur, 3d bodies eventually would have been generated nonetheless, from thumb opposable 2d beings...(as per sub-Logos choice, that has created severe problems here)

This however, is only possible with 3d vibrations becoming "active". This activity is a vibration capable of transforming dna. Also, 3d vibrations become weaker and weaker (or already are) and they cannot "mate" anymore (as purely 3d beings ---->earth not supporting 3d anymore at one point)...So it is logical that the only successful mating with off springs would occur with increasingly 4d vibrations from both earth's and dual entities.

Dual activated beings can only become feasible as 4d vibrations begin (they started a few decades ago). It is an interplay and it seems that the sub-Logos has a big part in it. Which brings an interesting point. As 4d becomes more and more active the sub-Logos becomes less and less influential. Green ray is also a ray of manifestation (time-space included as well) no veil and the bridge to higher rays. The first ray it seems, in which evolution starts from "above"...and 4d beings thoughts become reality.

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Also note in that quote that vibrations seem to come first and then due to those vibrations (atomic core) allow (gradually) the appropriate bodies to from. Which brings another point: it seems earth needs to be fully activated and then that "famous" 100-700 period begins...this is after the so called Great Harvest.

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Then what is the mechanics of 4d negative regarding thoughts manifesting reality?

There is no green ray per se. "Only" what is seems a very complicated interplay of red (always there in space-time), orange and yellow...very active it seems.

38.14 Questioner: Could you give me some idea of what conditions are like on a fourth-density negative or service to self planet?
Ra: I am Ra. The graduation into fourth-density negative is achieved by those beings who have consciously contacted intelligent infinity through the use of red, orange, and yellow rays of energy. Therefore, the planetary conditions of fourth-density negative include the constant alignment and realignment of entities in efforts to form dominant patterns of combined energy.

The early fourth-density is one of the most intensive struggle. When the order of authority has been established and all have fought until convinced that each is in the proper placement for power structure, the social memory complex begins. Always the fourth-density effect of telepathy and the transparency of thought are attempted to be used for the sake of those at the apex of the power structure.

This, as you may see, is often quite damaging to the further polarization of fourth-density negative entities, for the further negative polarization can come about only through group effort. As the fourth-density entities manage to combine, they then polarize through such services to self as those offered by the crusaders of Orion.

You may ask more specific questions in the next session of working. Are there any brief queries before we leave this instrument?

[Raman]

this is interesting...so in a 3d negative planet...there seems that there is not Harvest as we know it per se? Green activation does not occur and it seems the new 4d incarnates assume a gradual progression indeed, starting form the combination of red/yellow/orange active interplays...

Notice an elite in a 3d negative planet (like earth would be if overall trend were not +) then if could mean that once 3d positives are gone...(if such possibility of any 3d+ surviving that environment by that time) the interplay would be just a planetary elite and subsequent enslavement...

Green ray never activated...however the interplay of those 3 lower rays allows for the core rotation necessary for 4d negative work.

Then in this scenario, I believe in a gradual approach indeed.

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No there is harvest but intelligent infinity gateway opens via those colors...all 3.

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But the negative planet has no green energy...only the atomic core equivalent to 4d work. Which could be achieved via the energy combined of those 3 lower "colors".

[zenmaster]

Blue is not activated either - as they say neither green nor blue is activated for 5th density negative as well.

[unity100]

Yes, yes. But, the question is why does that necessarily mean the increasingly 4d body owners should mate with each other in order to produce increasingly 4d bodies? That seems to presuppose that the individuals conceiving contribute directly to the 4D body via their own material, instead of the 4D material being aggregated from the environment itself. I'm suggesting this because, obviously, the first dual-activated entity did not have any 4D contribution from parent.

It's also a strong possibility that 3D genetic material has little to do with parents - as Ra said, the 2d human body is what becomes enspirited to form the 3d human body...

its very simple :

first, geneticality has to have importance, because if it wasnt, you could just produce 4d body directly from a 3d body any means. (aggregating from environment, spiritual energies etc).

even if we say it doesnt have importance, and it happens through aggregation or spiritual energies, an increasingly 4d body would be more apt in that aggregation or usage of spiritual energies to create a body which is more 4d.

[βαθμιαίος]

I was thinking about this quote: "the thought-forms of your people during this transition period are such that the mind/body/spirit complexes of both individual and societies are scattered throughout the spectrum instead of becoming able to grasp the needle, shall we say, and point the compass in one direction" and it occurred to me that harvest need not necessarily happen all at the same time everywhere on the planet. If a group or a society is capable of grasping the needle and opening the gateway, they can choose the moment of their harvest. The fact that so few are able to do so is apparently what's making this harvest difficult, and difficult to predict.

It's interesting that there is apparently a technological element to this: "8.2 Your peoples have, at this time/space present, the technological achievement, if you would call it that, of being able to create and fly the shape and type of craft known to you as unidentified flying objects. Unfortunately for the social memory complex vibratory rate of your peoples, these devices are not intended for the service of mankind, but for potential destructive use. This further muddles the vibratory nexus of your social memory complex, causing a situation where neither those oriented towards serving others nor those oriented towards serving self can gain the energy/power which opens the gates to intelligent infinity for the social memory complex. This in turn causes the harvest to be small."

[zenmaster]

What could that mean? That UFO creation is some kind of spiritual-development gauge for society? That would mean that the scientists and engineers are somehow society's representatives? Sort of like, this is how you chose to manifest your (metaphorical) vehicles of transcendence.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Perhaps it has something to do with suppression of the knowledge of Earth electromagnetic field, its potential use for energy, its interplay with our own consciousness, and the potential for its use beyond technology?

8.7 Questioner: I’m puzzled by these craft which have undersea bases. Is this technology sufficient to overshadow all other armaments? Do we have the ability to just fly in these craft or are they just craft for transport? What is the basic mechanism of their power source? It’s really hard to believe is what I’m saying.
Ra: I am Ra. The craft are perhaps misnamed in some instances. It would be more appropriate to consider them as weaponry. The energy used is that of the field of electromagnetic energy which polarizes the Earth sphere. ...

Just a wild guess.

[3DMonkey]

Very interesting previous three posts from three great thinkers.

A layman monkey's thought: We aren't anywhere close to gaining or manipulating the energy of the sphere. If the scientific advancement is the barometer of a social memory complex's opening of the gateway, than take a look at what we've achieved so far.

If an airplane is our collective's physical manifestation of its desire to fly (now space rockets).....

If scuba is the manifestation of collective's desire to breath underwater....

If cellular radio frequency networks/internet is the manifestation of collective's desire to communicate telepathically over any distance....

If our desire to harness the energy grid of Earth has manifested into secret realms of seldom seen devices with secret plans to withhold what little harnessing is achieved....

[Oceania]

what's your point baby

[3DMonkey]

I'm not sure. I'm confused a bit. But I think I'm saying we have a long long way to go.

[unity100]

a situation where neither those oriented towards serving others nor those oriented towards serving self can gain the energy/power which opens the gates to intelligent infinity for the social memory complex. This in turn causes the harvest to be small."

this is quite a good catch. it means that opening the gateway to intelligent infinity is linked to being able to have and use certain amount of energy.

[3DMonkey]

a situation where neither those oriented towards serving others nor those oriented towards serving self can gain the energy/power which opens the gates to intelligent infinity for the social memory complex. This in turn causes the harvest to be small."

this is quite a good catch. it means that opening the gateway to intelligent infinity is linked to being able to have and use certain amount of energy.

In terms of a social memory complex, and not to do with an individual.

[Oceania]

i thought it was about balance.

[3DMonkey]

i thought it was about balance.

Skywalker?

[native]

What could that mean? That UFO creation is some kind of spiritual-development gauge for society? That would mean that the scientists and engineers are somehow society's representatives? Sort of like, this is how you chose to manifest your (metaphorical) vehicles of transcendence.

It could be related to Atlantis, Mars, and Maldek all using high-technology for destructive purposes. Since we are not breaking free from these lessons it seems to hold us back.

[Oceania]

yes, C3PO?

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i mean R2D2...

[Raman]

It is time now to increase positive harvest. This is done by your example. Be the example.

Also radiate your green ray to earth, bringing green up to blue and to indigo transmit to earth so is more powerful. Like if you were a broadcaster...cover the planet with green ray.

[3DMonkey]

I thought I was the receptor, the antenna, receiving the broadcast. My perspective is that we all turn our tv to the same channel to receive and vibrate to the same tune.

[AnthroHeart]

I don't know, if we're vibrating to the same tune, there must be differences in the intensities. This ascension thing down right physically hurts sometimes.