The mysterious nature of time

[zenmaster]

The goal is life after death? Isn't that a bit like saying the goal is to eat food?

[3DMonkey]

To understand, to come to the realization, or conclusion, that there actually is life after death. This, to me, is the only reason for ever studying all things spiritual. So far, I am empty handed.

[zenmaster]

Wait, so you are seeking transitory info as your life's goal and all else is vanity. For a second I thought you were being genuine.

[3DMonkey]

hahaha. No. I'm explaining that incarnation itself is transitory, and that all "work" is only relevant in a moment, a blink of the eye. What you explain as 'development', I see as a chasing of the wind.

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.... and the seeking of 'proof' is a goal of study, not of life. Life is here, might as well join in.

[Confused]

hahaha. No. I'm explaining that incarnation itself is transitory, and that all "work" is only relevant in a moment, a blink of the eye. What you explain as 'development', I see as a chasing of the wind.

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.... and the seeking of 'proof' is a goal of study, not of life. Life is here, might as well join in.

from 37.5 --- Ra: I am Ra. We shall comment. We hope that your Ra plans materialize. This is a cosmic joke. You were asking for such an example of humor and we feel this is a rather appropriate nexus in which one may be inserted. Continue with your intentions to the best of your natures and abilities. What more can be done, my friends?

[zenmaster]

hahaha. No. I'm explaining that incarnation itself is transitory, and that all "work" is only relevant in a moment, a blink of the eye. What you explain as 'development', I see as a chasing of the wind.

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.... and the seeking of 'proof' is a goal of study, not of life. Life is here, might as well join in.

So presumably, when Ra talks about development, you envision chasing the wind as well? Just want to make sure that you do not have some other idea of development.

[Confused]

[3DMonkey]

hahaha. No. I'm explaining that incarnation itself is transitory, and that all "work" is only relevant in a moment, a blink of the eye. What you explain as 'development', I see as a chasing of the wind.

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.... and the seeking of 'proof' is a goal of study, not of life. Life is here, might as well join in.

So presumably, when Ra talks about development, you envision chasing the wind as well? Just want to make sure that you do not have some other idea of development.

It is not development, but the idea that one has the power to control or steer development to an end, or even accomplish decisive stages towards said 'end' to a platform considered 'ahead' of others. This is the wind, or the unconscious acting as though it were conscious, not knowing or believing itself to be what it is- unconscious. It is a slippery slope to which none escape, IMO.

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This is the best youtube video I could find on the toy. This toy represents the way I see any third density human's ability to understand the archetypal mind, or in this case, space/time-time/space. The toy, mind you, not the girls trying to hold the toy. The idea I am trying to get at is that, once any 3D being thinks they have isolated, or figured, something out for understanding, they will find the rest of what they thought they had already understood inside the vortex of misunderstanding. Just like the skin of the toy that the girl is trying to touch will push to the inside as the inside reveals itself. And so on and so forth is the the third density entity's conundrum.

[zenmaster]

hahaha. No. I'm explaining that incarnation itself is transitory, and that all "work" is only relevant in a moment, a blink of the eye. What you explain as 'development', I see as a chasing of the wind.

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.... and the seeking of 'proof' is a goal of study, not of life. Life is here, might as well join in.

So presumably, when Ra talks about development, you envision chasing the wind as well? Just want to make sure that you do not have some other idea of development.

It is not development, but the idea that one has the power to control or steer development to an end, or even accomplish decisive stages towards said 'end' to a platform considered 'ahead' of others. This is the wind, or the unconscious acting as though it were conscious, not knowing or believing itself to be what it is- unconscious. It is a slippery slope to which none escape, IMO.

But if you look at it, you are the one who is projecting the idea of being 'ahead'. No one introduced that concept but yourself. That is your issue. So we have not been talking to each other.

[3DMonkey]

I'm trying to use some representation to explain my perspective. Maybe you are projecting the idea that I am projecting something.

LOL, yes, we have been talking to each other.

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"trying to develop"- Where is that a goal? What is the purpose in this pursuit? Why is it your motivation?

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Would you say that someone who consciously applies catalyst is more developed than someone who ignores catalyst? And what are the differences in these two someones after their physical death?

[Meerie]

A penis IS a vagina in time/space.

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Vagenis
Penina

I now know which names to propose when your 5th child is on the way

[zenmaster]

I'm trying to use some representation to explain my perspective. Maybe you are projecting the idea that I am projecting something.

LOL, yes, we have been talking to each other.

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"trying to develop"- Where is that a goal? What is the purpose in this pursuit? Why is it your motivation?

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Would you say that someone who consciously applies catalyst is more developed than someone who ignores catalyst? And what are the differences in these two someones after their physical death?

I realize you have been doing that, which is fine (a useful exercise maybe). But at the same time you have been looking towards finding an antithesis to such an extent as to be ignoring what I've been saying - that's talking past me. With such an intention, it makes it difficult to continue.

But there is no goal. There is no ahead. There is the addressing of one's needs at the moment. The particular needs are different, but the lessons are the same throughout the creation. There is an ability to learn lessons which eventually results in them being integrated or transcended. This ability is innate but follows from some form of conscious application of oneself (will) towards that integration (or acceptance). Yes, there is development with recognizable levels. No, there is no relative importance or value in any state - not just developmental - other than what one sees is important using their honesty.

If a person discovers a more desirable state, that often is the result of finding that much more wholeness or authenticity or sufficiency (not luck). This discovery often shared for the perceived purpose of benefiting society. We ourselves can and must do this, not some ET group who has 'been there done that', because we share the same 'experiential nexus' or 'mind' - the (evolving) planetary logos. It's not like we have to pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps, as we are innately whole, have a self-imposed limitations, and require merely honesty to resolve basically all conflict and difficulty.

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You get out of a life what you invest or bother to make conscious, after death you have what has been distilled (without regards to circumstances, tools, procedures).

"In other terms nothing whatever of importance is lost; the character or, shall we say, pure distortion of emotions and biases or distortions and wisdoms, if you will, becoming obvious for the first time, shall we say; these pure emotions and wisdoms and bias/distortions being, for the most part, either ignored or underestimated during physical life experience."

This distilled wisdom is then available to assess further incarnational needs. In 3rd density we are creating "a rough-hewn sculpture" - or a faceted jewel from a gemstone.

[3DMonkey]

Understood.

If a person discovers a more desirable state, that often is the result of finding that much more wholeness or authenticity or sufficiency (not luck). This discovery often shared for the perceived purpose of benefiting society. We ourselves can and must do this, not some ET group who has 'been there done that', because we share the same 'experiential nexus' or 'mind' - the (evolving) planetary logos. It's not like we have to pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps, as we are innately whole, have a self-imposed limitations, and require merely honesty to resolve basically all conflict and difficulty.

Here is the thing for me. This "perceived purpose" is none other than a twisted definition for power. In that pursuit, one will eventually find themselves on the other side of the table, and in hindsight, will completely contradict the "purpose". I conclude this because I see the ideal of purified communication as fallacy. The fallacy I perceive is directly related to always finding oneself on the other side of the table, so to speak. It is an inescapable, never ending loop.

We ourselves can't and won't allow the "perceived purpose" to be a definitive agreement. The 'perfect' mind we share IS the authenticity of projections and emotions and garbled wholeness.

Again, I've said as much, your efforts go toward this "perceived purpose", and I am not against that. I do not intend to speak "past you", but I am stating my opinions, and my opinions are deeply rooted in perceiving past this illusional "perceived purpose." In other words, all is in vain if there is no entity continuation. Since we will never figure that one out, there is no apparent reason to "develop."

I see no difference between this man, this man, this man, this man, or this man.

[Confused]

[Meerie]

You're funny 3D.

Went on a walk today to further experience surrendering to the energy.

The energy supports me surprisingly well when I demonstrate a high degree of puppetness.

Must have looked like a drunk man walking, but also doing seemingly "difficult" feats of balance as my body would right itself automatically. My upward pull feels *THAT* close to being equal to gravity.

Haha, Gemini, I think you are totally not caring about how others view you. That is so awesome!
thanks for that Greg Braden video. The guy reminds me a bit of David Wilcock actually. Interesting what he talks about.

[transiten]

Hello guys!

Try to find the Love in The Moment. What is Love? Is it possible to describe? Maybe easier to describe what Love is Not, like the concept of "God".

My "Love in the Moment" moment is that an "official" guy i don't know helped me out on the telephone with a payment issue and now is shining and i'm off to my allotment.

[Meerie]

Cool! what is an allotment? a garden where you grow vegetables?

[3DMonkey]

.... and I thought I was derailing

[Meerie]

But 3D, we got a license to derail! dear C, the master of this thread gave it to us in person! (and I still don't know what this allotment is )
Besides I think ADD people like me should be exempt from punishment for derailing. You know like the dyslexic kids at school, the teacher cannot take into account all their spelling mistakes.
To get this thread back on topic, the late and great Freddie Mercury: Time

[transiten]

Cool! what is an allotment? a garden where you grow vegetables?

Yes, maybe that's English, not American? My dictionnary says allotment...3DMonkey what do you say?

Well in The mysterious nature of time one can find that mysterious "Love in the Moment", that's not derailing i think?

Also came to think about Nassim Haramein and his Geometric Universe and that our existence is a constant "Blinkling On and Off, On and Off" can't explain, have to look that lecture up...

[AnthroHeart]

I've got an intense catalyst stream within me, so other outside influences don't really affect me so much.
The crazy catalyst and subconscious muck I've had to process and integrate really make what others think somewhat of a nonissue.
This is extremely DENSE catalyst that I'm experiencing.

Expressing my blue ray is very important to me. Though I do use tact, and do take care not to go too far.

Anyway, still moving closer to time/space, bridging the gap between subconscious and conscious. I find in my dreams I'm beginning to become more conscious. Last night I saw Q from Star Trek in a dream, and I told him flat out "you're just a projection of my mind". Funny then my physical eyes opened a little bit and a digital clock that my eyes were seeing appeared in the dream world.

Haha, Gemini, I think you are totally not caring about how others view you. That is so awesome!
thanks for that Greg Braden video. The guy reminds me a bit of David Wilcock actually. Interesting what he talks about.

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I see no difference between this man, this man, this man, this man, or this man.

What about these guys? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZsYEGmhEbc&ob=av3e

[Confused]

[3DMonkey]

Cool! what is an allotment? a garden where you grow vegetables?

Yes, maybe that's English, not American? My dictionnary says allotment...3DMonkey what do you say?

your portion that is due?

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That is probably my favorite of the thread, Confused

[3DMonkey]

I see no difference between this man, this man, this man, this man, or this man.

What about these guys? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZsYEGmhEbc&ob=av3e

And this woman too. She is a wonderful representation of "this"

[Confused]

That is probably my favorite of the thread, Confused

Thank you, dear 3!

[Meerie]

I liked it a lot too. There seems to be an angelic being in the clouds, around 1:04 in the video

[Confused]

I liked it a lot too. There seems to be an angelic being in the clouds, around 1:04 in the video

That is me as a thought-form, paying you all, the people I adore greatly, a visit filled with love, light and unity!

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The words in this video reminded me greatly of you, 3, and you too, GW, especially the words towards the end.

[Confused]

Tarot Archetypes- The Fool's Journey

[zenmaster]

Understood.

If a person discovers a more desirable state, that often is the result of finding that much more wholeness or authenticity or sufficiency (not luck). This discovery often shared for the perceived purpose of benefiting society. We ourselves can and must do this, not some ET group who has 'been there done that', because we share the same 'experiential nexus' or 'mind' - the (evolving) planetary logos. It's not like we have to pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps, as we are innately whole, have a self-imposed limitations, and require merely honesty to resolve basically all conflict and difficulty.

Here is the thing for me. This "perceived purpose" is none other than a twisted definition for power. In that pursuit, one will eventually find themselves on the other side of the table, and in hindsight, will completely contradict the "purpose". I conclude this because I see the ideal of purified communication as fallacy. The fallacy I perceive is directly related to always finding oneself on the other side of the table, so to speak. It is an inescapable, never ending loop.

We ourselves can't and won't allow the "perceived purpose" to be a definitive agreement. The 'perfect' mind we share IS the authenticity of projections and emotions and garbled wholeness.

Again, I've said as much, your efforts go toward this "perceived purpose", and I am not against that. I do not intend to speak "past you", but I am stating my opinions, and my opinions are deeply rooted in perceiving past this illusional "perceived purpose." In other words, all is in vain if there is no entity continuation. Since we will never figure that one out, there is no apparent reason to "develop."

I see no difference between this man, this man, this man, this man, or this man.

But who said anything about a perfect mind or definitive agreement? How are those things even implied? Do you actually think they would be necessary? If so, why? Do you not understand that a simple communion of mind is possible without these conditions?

[3DMonkey]

I do think I understand. In fact, it is what Im trying to explain as my view.

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A definitive agreement: "we can and must do that"

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I don't think trying is necessary.