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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Strictly Law of One Material What's the difference between turning the other cheek and being a slave?

    Thread: What's the difference between turning the other cheek and being a slave?


    Shin'Ar

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    03-10-2012, 04:52 PM
    To be honest, I was just trying to be diplomatic about his evasion of the question. best to let it go when it reaches that point, right? Not sure what you find funny about the topic though. May I ask if english is your second language? Sometimes that creates problems.


    I read through that link and I see that the same evasiveness has been a history in this place.

    So if you would really like to answer these questions, we can continue. If not, than there is no sense in my pursuing it.

    So in this second here and now, if you confronted a rapist attacking a woman in an alley, would you see yourself in him? Would you see the Creator in him? Would you allow him to continue becasue you would not want to infringe upon his free will? If not rape, where would you draw the line?

    Basically, in that second of time would you agree that STS would not be a tolerable path to follow?

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    3DMonkey

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    03-10-2012, 05:15 PM
    I would follow the STS path and swing a bat right at his temple
    Is that an answer?

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    Shin'Ar

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    03-10-2012, 05:17 PM
    (03-10-2012, 05:15 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I would follow the STS path and swing a bat right at his temple
    Is that an answer?

    Again you have not answered the questions?

    So in this second here and now, if you confronted a rapist attacking a woman in an alley, would you see yourself in him? Would you see the Creator in him? Would you allow him to continue becasue you would not want to infringe upon his free will? If not rape, where would you draw the line?

    Basically, in that second of time would you agree that STS would not be a tolerable path to follow?

    these are the questions that i cannot seem to get answered, and the reason that I do not understand why you seem to think that STS is a worthwhile path to follow. I understand that there may be some benefit to understanding our darker aspects in order to better know our true selves. That I get. What I don't get is why those who seem to agree with that also refuse to acknowledge that there are extremes of that path that one should be very cautious of, and that we should not tolerate as loving beings of Light.

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    3DMonkey

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    #34
    03-10-2012, 05:21 PM
    LMAO, okay, move along
    I think the humor is that I'm talking to myself.

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    Shin'Ar

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    03-10-2012, 05:26 PM
    (03-10-2012, 05:21 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: LMAO, okay, move along
    I think the humor is that I'm talking to myself.

    No, you just don't want to answer those questions, and that should tell you something because your lack of words tells as much as any quanity of words.

    But youre right. Move along! I think I understand what the problem has been now.

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    #36
    03-10-2012, 05:26 PM
    (03-10-2012, 04:52 PM)ShinAr Wrote: To be honest, I was just trying to be diplomatic about his evasion of the question. best to let it go when it reaches that point, right? Not sure what you find funny about the topic though. May I ask if english is your second language? Sometimes that creates problems.

    If you read through that thread you will see 3DMonkey's opinion, which he expresses in that thread very well.

    We've had these discussions before. It's not the first one, and it's not the last one either. And I believe that you've already heard that before, from abridgetoofar in another thread. That is what I found amusing.

    You are correct in that English is not my native language.

    Shin'Ar Wrote:So in this second here and now, if you confronted a rapist attacking a woman in an alley, would you see yourself in him?

    No.

    Shin'Ar Wrote:Would you see the Creator in him?

    No.

    Shin'Ar Wrote:Would you allow him to continue becasue you would not want to infringe upon his free will?

    No.

    Shin'Ar Wrote:If not rape, where would you fraw the line?

    Rape will do just fine, otherwise any form of physical abuse will do just fine too.

    Shin'Ar Wrote:Basically, in that second of time would you agree that STS would not be a tolerable path to follow?

    You keep saying that we are defending it, or supporting it. What I am trying to do is accepting it, as it is a tool of an entity who is trying to polarize in service to others. However, we are in third density, and I have my 49% to use as free cards so to speak. So I will stop any entity, if I am able, from abusing another self. What I and 3DMonkey are trying to tell you though, is that it is *not* a STO act. It is a STS act.

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    Shin'Ar

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    03-10-2012, 05:32 PM
    In other threads I have heard as defense of STS that they choose to see themselves in the eyes of the offender. Or that they choose to see the offender as the Creator. I have also read where they say they would not interefere because it would be infringing upon the offender free will.

    So as Moneky will not answqer those questions for me, and Ankh has. I ask her:

    If you answer no tio the questions above, and realize that you must draw a line, than do you acknowledge that there are serious extremes taken on the STS path that can be dangerous and inhumane? And if so would you now warn people of that danger out of concern for them?

    Do you admit that there are people who choose that path that do terrible things to our fellow humans out of greed, selfishness and pure perversion? Can you admit that those extremes are things that you would judge as horrible and inhumane? Do you acknowledge that the STS path can lead to extremes that you would never want to experience yourself, and would certainly not justify or condone if doen by soemone else?

    I am not trying to corner anyone here. I am trying to understand the problem that this forum seems to have in discussing this topic, and why some here seem to evade the issue, or discuss it as though it is not a problem to humanity.

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    #38
    03-10-2012, 05:49 PM
    (03-10-2012, 05:32 PM)ShinAr Wrote: If you answer no tio the questions above, and realize that you must draw a line, than do you acknowledge that there are serious extremes taken on the STS path that can be dangerous and inhumane?

    From my limited third density perspective there are actions that I fail to accept (which causes *depolarisation*).

    Shin'Ar Wrote:And if so would you now warn people of that danger out of concern for them?

    "Warn" in what way who about what?

    Shin'Ar Wrote:Do you admit that there are people who choose that path that do terrible things to our fellow humans out of greed, selfishness and pure perversion?

    Yes.

    Shin'Ar Wrote:Can you admit that those extremes are things that you would judge as horrible and inhumane?

    I do not wish to judge.

    Shin'Ar - this thread is getting derailed now. I do not wish to do that.

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    Shin'Ar

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    #39
    03-10-2012, 05:51 PM
    Right!

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    3DMonkey

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    03-10-2012, 05:52 PM
    STS is always an option. It will never go away from third density. The only place it starts to disappear is in fourth density positive, and that begins with the transformation of the mind. When the view of "problem with humanity" enters, what direction will it be applied with respect to green ray vibrations?

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    03-10-2012, 06:10 PM
    Perhaps I am calling fire to myself, but I am going to answer openly and honestly.

    Quote:So in this second here and now, if you confronted a rapist attacking a woman in an alley, would you see yourself in him? would you see the Creator in him? would you allow him to contiue becasue you would not want to infringe upon his free will?


    Basically, in that second of time would you agree that STS would not be a tolerable path to follow?

    Yes, I would see myself in him, having been far enough in the darkness I have experienced the immense loneliness, fear of other self and fear of self that leads to the creation of the impulse to forcefully, and without care, desire to take that which you feel has been withheld from you "unfairly". Of course, I have never acted on such impulses, fortunately I have a prominent conscience, but I would be lying if I said I have never had the experience.

    Would I see the Creator in him? How could I not? From my view, I cannot interact with anything that is not Creator, how is that possible? This computer, the mouse, the desk its one, the speakers, the walls, the floor, this house, my family, our pets, the dirt, the dust, the insects, the people, all is the Creator. Why would I suspend the truth of that fact because I encounter a portion of the Creator which in a disharmonious expression with my portion? Yes I would Love him, not for his temporary, illusory actions, but for his spirit, his Light Within that I know is only but obscured by his own pain.

    Now, I think I may be able to solve this conundrum. Consider this, the Law of Karma, of Cause and Effect. Perhaps an individual chooses, as you say, to attempt to rape a woman, thus engaging the field of consciousness that is violence/rape, or control of the body. You see, by his Free Will, he has opened himself to the possibilities of this field, and so someone wishing to help the woman may use the amount of force necessary (never more, else it does become STS) to negate, or do service by the way of counter-action, this infringement of Free Will of the woman (thus restoring all states of Free Will to balance), and it would not be an infringement of Free Will to the assailant because by their choice they utilized their own Free Will to access a cause (violence/control) which may have an equal effect, that which is a reflection of itself (violence/control). The way I see it, by engaging in the act, the individual gives permission to the field to become a part of their reality.

    Now, of course, we come to the subject of the individual who wishes to save the woman, and their polarity. I think it's clear, that it would be an act of service to the woman. However, what about the potential rapist? You see, such an act, although may cause some degree of physical, temporal pain, would in fact be a HUGE catalyst for the individual to begin to reflect on their path, their choices, and themselves, to begin to see where the dark and the light is within them.

    I have been deeply pondering this lately, and I've come to the conclusion that there are times where it is necessary to use force out of Love, and not all force, or pain others feel in ripple, is a service to self. Think about it, many of us have given others permission to serve us pain under the concept that they are all "lessons". Well, sometimes we are the teachers, and in fact we must be if we are all to help eachother.

    So, to answer your question ultimately: In such a moment, the concepts of STS and STO are meaningless, it is senseless to try and place what is where. We all know the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The man chose his path as violence and control, and so by his own free will he calculates his punishment.

    These are my thoughts, perhaps they will share a Light, blessings from Creator to Creator, adonai.

    I think I may have also made an expression about the thread in general.

    The slave is the woman, the rapist the enslaver, and the hero turns the other cheek TO VIOLENCE, to do service.

    Consider, if it's killed or be killed, and all the heroes choose death to "save their own polarity", where would we be?
    To use violence, unviolently, is perhaps one of the greatest challenges of the peaceful warrior.
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    03-12-2012, 04:18 PM
    (03-09-2012, 07:31 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: PS: Ankh, I think one can achieve a pure total-ness in service to others.

    (03-10-2012, 10:47 AM)Ankh Wrote: R'U sure? What if that other self wants you to kill a beloved one?

    Are you suggesting that the service-to-others' path necessarily includes doing what others tell you to do, even against your own better judgment?

    My understanding of STO does not involve complying with the wishes, demands, wants, fears of others.

    : ) GLB


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    03-12-2012, 06:06 PM
    (03-12-2012, 04:18 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:
    (03-09-2012, 07:31 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: PS: Ankh, I think one can achieve a pure total-ness in service to others.

    (03-10-2012, 10:47 AM)Ankh Wrote: R'U sure? What if that other self wants you to kill a beloved one?

    Are you suggesting that the service-to-others' path necessarily includes doing what others tell you to do, even against your own better judgment?

    My understanding of STO does not involve complying with the wishes, demands, wants, fears of others.

    : ) GLB

    Ah, what do I know? I am thinking of the situation where entities of third and at some extent fourth densities, are attempting to "battle" each other. The negative will depolarize because this entity is unable to control, or enslave, and the positive will depolarize because this entity is unable to accept. Then how the situation is "solved" where positive entity wishes to serve negative entity who wants something that would not be of benefit for the positive entity, I don't know.

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    03-12-2012, 08:13 PM (This post was last modified: 03-12-2012, 08:15 PM by Steppingfeet.)
    (03-09-2012, 07:31 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: PS: Ankh, I think one can achieve a pure total-ness in service to others.

    (03-10-2012, 10:47 AM)Ankh Wrote: R'U sure? What if that other self wants you to kill a beloved one?

    (03-09-2012, 07:31 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: Are you suggesting that the service-to-others' path necessarily includes doing what others tell you to do, even against your own better judgment?


    My understanding of STO does not involve complying with the wishes, demands, wants, fears of others. [/quote]

    (03-10-2012, 10:47 AM)Ankh Wrote: R'U sure? What if Ah, what do I know? I am thinking of the situation where entities of third and at some extent fourth densities, are attempting to "battle" each other. The negative will depolarize because this entity is unable to control, or enslave, and the positive will depolarize because this entity is unable to accept. Then how the situation is "solved" where positive entity wishes to serve negative entity who wants something that would not be of benefit for the positive entity, I don't know.

    What do I know? : )

    I see what you're saying. To be positive is to accept, honor, and not interfere with the free will of the other self.

    But the fourth-density positive entity cannot accept the free will of the fourth-density negative entity who wishes to enslave, so the positive 4D loses polarity, apparently

    (Makes me wonder why 4D negative entities even make the attempt. I would think there would be plenty of precedent for the negative beings to draw on. Surely this game has been attempted again and again in other portions of the creation. Surely negative 4D entities unsuccessfully attempted to subdue positive 4D entities before. Wouldn't some astute negative entity say, "Uh, hey guys. I googled the stats. Yeah, this never works. It just ends in stalemate, we miss the party, and we jack up our polarity.")

    At any rate, perhaps the positive-4D entity's loss of polarity due to its failure to accept STS teachings is a function of its lack of wisdom?

    Perhaps the blue-ray or fifth-density entity could be in that same situation, could tell the negative entity, "Thanks but no thanks", and not lose polarity? (Presuming a fifth-density entity could be in that situation.)

    I dunno. I actually don't know what 100% STO means. Though my mind reaches for the idea of enligtenment/self-realization and presumes a congruency there.

    Much love - GLB

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    03-14-2012, 08:09 AM (This post was last modified: 03-14-2012, 08:12 AM by Ankh.)
    (01-22-2012, 06:37 AM)yossarian Wrote: Does the Law of One see Christianity as promoting a slave morality? Does the Law of One endorse that slave morality?

    Not in ny understanding. "Turning the other cheek" sounds to me similar to:

    Ra, 17:30 Wrote:The best way of service to others is the constant attempt to seek to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the inner self. This involves self knowledge and the ability to open the self to the other-self without hesitation.

    The ability to open the self to another self without *hesitation* involves self knowledge:

    Ra, 35:4 Wrote:To know your self is to have the foundation upon firm ground.

    Law of One speaks also of self respect:

    Ra, 40:14 Wrote:Thus it is the care and respect for the self that is the true thing of importance.

    Ra, 40:13 Wrote:The other portion of healing has to do with forgiveness of self and a greatly heightened respect for the self.

    And also see the self as the Creator:

    Ra, 10:14 Wrote:Gaze within a mirror. See the Creator.

    Ra, 75:25 Wrote:It is well for each to realize its self as the Creator. Thusly each may support each including the support of self by humble love of self as Creator.

    So in my understanding, a constant attempt or seeking towards opening the self to another self without hesitation involves a great deal of self knowledge and self respect. Translated into terms of "turning the other cheek" it would mean that when you open yourself up to others, there will be situations where you will be taken advantage of, where you will be ridiculed, where you will be used and so on and so forth, but you will continue to attempt this opening the self to others.

    In terms of energy rays it means that the pathway to the green center is clear and clean. If there are blockages in orange ray, there might be misguided service to others given, driven by a desire to be acknowledged, approved, loved. This service is not given out of universal love, thus unconditional, but given in order to have the self approved or acknowledged by others. But if the green ray is activated and the pathway to that place is clear, then the service is freely given without any expectations, or "slave mentality", but out of universal, unconditional love.
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    "Everything owes its existence solely and completely to sound. Sound is the factor which holds it altogether. Sound is the basis for form and shape.

    n the beginning was the Word and the Word was God.

    We are told that this is how the world began and how creation took shape. If we put that into modern idiom, we say that into the great voids of space came a thought, as sound, which created form and shape." - Nicola Tesla



    All matter is a result of this event of frequency, and if you amplify the frequency the structure or matter will change. Quantam physics has now revealed that which the Ancients Ones have always known; matter does not exist. The true substance of the universe is consciousness, and therefore behavior is vital to creation.



    Emotion is the result of what we experience through our environmental stimuli , but it is only manifested in two forms; love or fear. Emotions are a manifestation of the vibrating frequencies of one of those two waves. Fear is a slow and short frequency, while love is a higher and faster frequency, and cynetics has proven that physical matter is affected by sound frequency, as is amino acids and DNA. So emotion, as frequency, can affect DNA and genetic makeup. Our DNA can literally be altered, and more codes can be activated, by being in a more loving frequency.



    The particles of light called photons placed in a vacuum and exposed to DNA will align themselves along the strands of the DNA. When that DNA is removed the photons will remain aligned as though the DNA were still there, as though memory or 'spirit' of what was.


    So when we know that the more our DNA is exposed to higher frequencies, the more it is enabled to collect light and information, then we must also realize the vital importance of avoiding fear, and making love our priority. Our very genetic makeup, and then the frequency that we emit out from us, becomes the very building block of the reality of the frequency and wave formation in which we exist.

    I cannot shed more light on the importance of avoiding the things of self gratification and the exposure to the fear of the more prominent aspects of our world. These, which We Ancient Ones call the lusts of the flesh and the darkness, are frequencies that slow down and inhibit our true development and evolution, as well as our ability to resonate with our Divine Consciousness, the Logos.
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    03-14-2012, 12:37 PM
    That was a very informative and excellent post Shin'Ar, helping to bridge the gap and drawing the connection between science and spirituality.

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    03-14-2012, 12:52 PM
    (03-14-2012, 08:09 AM)Ankh Wrote:
    (01-22-2012, 06:37 AM)yossarian Wrote: Does the Law of One see Christianity as promoting a slave morality? Does the Law of One endorse that slave morality?

    Not in ny understanding. "Turning the other cheek" sounds to me similar to:

    Oh, I found better quotes that Law of One does not endorse the slave mentality.

    Law of One teaches not only love, but also wisdom:

    Ra, 75:14 Wrote:When the entity Jehoshuah [2] decided to return to the location called Jerusalem for the holy days of its people it turned from work mixing love and wisdom and embraced martyrdom which is the work of love without wisdom.

    Ra, 25:6 Wrote:This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

    It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

    This means that it is unwise to have yourself killed and/or enslaved, as in that case, you can not serve others.

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    (03-14-2012, 12:37 PM)godwide_void Wrote: That was a very informative and excellent post Shin'Ar, helping to bridge the gap and drawing the connection between science and spirituality.

    As you said Godwide, we are living in exciting times. The revalations science has encountered over the last few months alone, many gone unannounced as media events, have outnumbered the revealtions of the last decade. Science and religion are beginning to discover that they have both been proponents in the same quest. And the truth which science has sought after, and which the Ancients have preserved, are one in the same.

    In the news at this moment they are in the process of discovering some new findings once part of DaVinci's legacy. Who knows what might be revealed there? Quantam phsyicists and neuro biologists have been coming to understand the things that the Ancients have been teaching for millenia. the circle is once again revealing itself.
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    03-14-2012, 01:48 PM
    It is the ouroboric aesthetics of the divine, the grand machinations of the Creator in flux. We are witnessing the true extent of what was meant by all things eventually coming to light. The supreme essence which underlines all things will soon be understood. I have a feeling that in the very near future, given the rate at which revelations are manifesting in our world, we will come to a point where acknowledgement of the true nature of things will be prevalent. Given all the information that is available to us at this very moment, it becomes increasingly nonsensical for a blind eye to remain turned to the ever revealing truth, unfolding in accordance with the will of the unending One.

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    #51
    03-28-2012, 06:07 AM
    (03-10-2012, 05:17 PM)ShinAr Wrote:
    (03-10-2012, 05:15 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I would follow the STS path and swing a bat right at his temple
    Is that an answer?

    Again you have not answered the questions?

    So in this second here and now, if you confronted a rapist attacking a woman in an alley, would you see yourself in him?

    Yes.

    Quote: Would you see the Creator in him?

    Maybe, but I think probably not.

    Quote:Would you allow him to continue becasue you would not want to infringe upon his free will?

    No, I would stop him.

    Quote:If not rape, where would you draw the line?

    I draw the line somewhere around hate speech, so way before rape.

    Quote:Basically, in that second of time would you agree that STS would not be a tolerable path to follow?

    This is confusing. Are you assuming that the rapist is on the STS path and I am not?

    I think the spiritual paths of the people in this drama are ambiguous. The rapist is not necessarily on an STS path, though I think it's clear he's taking STS actions which I judge as worthy of forceful intervention.

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    (01-22-2012, 12:58 PM)Ecz Wrote:
    (01-22-2012, 06:37 AM)yossarian Wrote: And why does it seem like when a teaching leads to material prosperity is often considered immoral?

    My opinion on this (like Plenum) depends on how 'prosperous' the person has become. I draw the line at sustainability. Are you gluttonously consuming far more resources than would be sustainable if everyone on Earth did the same? If so, you're actions are indirectly hurting others by removing their access to the same resources.

    Also, being 'prosperous' (again, this is subjective term) also carries the potential to get a person too attached to the material world. Effectively hi-jacking your psyche's natural reward system by replacing accomplishment with the acquisition of things. The person then becomes stagnate and loses their life's 'progression' supplementing this natural drive instead with shopping sprees and (often) SSRI's.

    That said, I believe we should all have abundance. Abundance of healthy food, good living conditions, clean water, access to technology/transportation, etc. I just don't see the need for 40 room mansions and v12 maseratis.

    As for turning the other cheek -- I use that method if I feel like it will be effective. As in, if someone is being blatantly mean toward me - I will take the abuse and maintain my courtesy in an attempt to shame them into rectifying their actions. This often results in an apology.

    That said, even Buddha Boy is forced to layeth the smacketh from time to time Tongue
    http://news.oneindia.in/2010/07/28/nepal...istur.html

    I agree sometimes sometimes the smacketh has to be layed down. Get hat otr del in line. Now I'm not talking violence. But a real mirroring to that person. Show them what ere putting out. I've met a couple older people around me, that I can tell never had a good mirroring. They obscure the line of self correction and growth, and talk non stop about everyone else around them.,..the level of this gossip is crazy. Literally all I hear all day from this group of individuals is about Bobby down he street, and Lisa next door, and this and fucking that. I do not have a position to stop or change this. Nor is it my responsibility. However sometimes I just wanna screammmm "so fuckin what?"
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    #53
    01-09-2017, 09:37 AM
    Also the group is my wife's family. They come from a line of southern farmers. The land inherited throughout each generation, has been to an extent that most everyone in the family, stays around and on this land. There like a clan, this clan the mentality may have greatly lessened outside mirrors and inhibited growth a lot. It literal reminds me of like 16th century Europe, and a very castess people. I am literally rejected because I dont perfectly fit there mold of what a 'man' is.

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    01-09-2017, 09:40 AM
    However the land plays into an up for me as well. It give s me, that so precious, time to really study/live the Law of One. So its all potential for growth. The creator has been most generous, and I am very grateful.
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    01-09-2017, 10:38 AM (This post was last modified: 01-09-2017, 10:39 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
    (01-09-2017, 09:31 AM)Infinite Unity Wrote: I agree sometimes sometimes the smacketh has to be layed down. Get hat otr del in line. Now I'm not talking violence. But a real mirroring to that person. Show them what ere putting out. I've met a couple older people around me, that I can tell never had a good mirroring. They obscure the line of self correction and growth, and talk non stop about everyone else around them.,..the level of this gossip is crazy. Literally all I hear all day from this group of individuals is about Bobby down he street, and Lisa next door, and this and fucking that. I do not have a position to stop or change this. Nor is it my responsibility. However sometimes I just wanna screammmm "so fuckin what?"

    I'm honestly not trying to pick on you, but I just wanted to point out...  in this post, you are doing exactly what you criticize your neighbors for doing.  You're mirroring them, for certain, but probably not in the way you intended.  It's kind of a good example of how easy it can be for someone to start taking on negative attributes, if they focus too much on perceived negativity around them.

    After all, at least in my experience, most people who gossip nonstop are deeply insecure and usually quite lonely.  Their behaviors are caused by a lack of love in their lives, one way or another.  "Laying the smacketh down" isn't going to do anything but make that unloved feeling worse, and gossiping about them really just encourages more gossiping.  It's a situation where the old adage about "If you haven't got anything nice to say..." is probably good advice.
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    01-09-2017, 09:03 PM
    Haha true. I lay no claims to absolute no distortion, or what's considered perfection. I agree with you though. And you are truly right. When I think about these people you are right. However I wasn't speaking of neighbours. But of family. Lol thank you though.
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    01-10-2017, 04:55 PM
    (01-09-2017, 09:31 AM)Infinite Unity Wrote: I agree sometimes sometimes the smacketh has to be layed down. Get hat otr del in line. Now I'm not talking violence. But a real mirroring to that person. Show them what ere putting out. I've met a couple older people around me, that I can tell never had a good mirroring. They obscure the line of self correction and growth, and talk non stop about everyone else around them.,..the level of this gossip is crazy. Literally all I hear all day from this group of individuals is about Bobby down he street, and Lisa next door, and this and fucking that. I do not have a position to stop or change this. Nor is it my responsibility. However sometimes I just wanna screammmm "so fuckin what?"


    I completely understand how you feel there. For years beyond necessity I lived with my mum as it was much more affordable and it gave me greater financial freedom. But there was one catch, and that meant consistently listening to her stories about other people. It all went south when she turned on my partner and the "smacketh" did become physical.  As APW says, to listen with ears of compassion rather than judgement is, although more challenging, the wiser and non hypocritical option. 
      
    But it's cool to vent here if you are not ready to find the love in such moments  Cool

    I love this take on it.

    A young couple moves into a new neighborhood.

    The next morning while they are eating breakfast, the young woman sees her neighbor hanging the wash outside.
    “That laundry is not very clean; she doesn’t know how to wash correctly. Perhaps she needs better laundry soap.”
    Her husband looks on, remaining silent.
    Every time her neighbor hangs her wash to dry, the young woman makes the same comments.
    A month later, the woman is surprised to see a nice clean wash on the line and says to her husband: “Look, she’s finally learned how to wash correctly. I wonder who taught her this? ”
    The husband replies, “I got up early this morning and cleaned our windows.”
    And so it is with life… What we see when watching others depends on the clarity of the window through which we look.

    [Image: dirty_laundry.jpg]
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    01-10-2017, 06:42 PM
    A young couple moves into a new neighborhood.

    The next morning while they are eating breakfast, the young woman sees her neighbor hanging the wash outside.
    “That laundry is not very clean; she doesn’t know how to wash correctly. Perhaps she needs better laundry soap.”
    Her husband looks on, remaining silent.
    Every time her neighbor hangs her wash to dry, the young woman makes the same comments.
    A month later, the woman is surprised to see a nice clean wash on the line and says to her husband: “Look, she’s finally learned how to wash correctly. I wonder who taught her this? ”
    The husband replies, “I got up early this morning and cleaned our windows.”
    And so it is with life… What we see when watching others depends on the clarity of the window through which we look.

    [Image: dirty_laundry.jpg]
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    Love that!
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    01-10-2017, 07:26 PM (This post was last modified: 01-10-2017, 07:35 PM by Infinite Unity.)
    Lol perfect post. Really great.

    However my story is reverse. Financial synchronocities, have brought me back to living with her mother. So its like she wants to drive a wedge between us, and in a really weird way, Its like she competes with me in a certain sense versus my wife. She was what I considered a mortal enemy, and vowed to destroy her before this life was over. However that was before finding the LOO. I try really really hard to love and accept this woman. For a short time there it really seemed to work, then all the sudden, she's back to banging pots at 12 o clock every single night. When she wakes one of my babies up, you can hear her trot quick
    Y and quietly as possible to her room. There are many more things like this. I know it pertains to some key points I need to work on, and she is one of my greatest mirrors/obstacles or a means to help finding the problem, or a direct analog to help me fix It. Ugh the level of catalyst surrounding this individual. The complexity of my kids relationship, my wife's, and my own interacting with hers. Its just a wild roller coaster ride. I was pretty upset that day I posted the above posts. Forgive me for the disturbance. I do not wish to be or being negativity amongst you. I am sorry.
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    01-10-2017, 07:42 PM
    Hello, I am new here, but this concept of turning the cheek used to really question me too. it's interesting how the Buddhist, who are unquestionably against violence, and have shown it again and again, even though there were rebellions in Tibet against Chinese occupation, [ and I am sure this was a deep dilemma for the Dalai Lama,] but it's interesting to see that even the Buddhist will condone what they term ' rightful anger '. Wink

    As to the concept of the rapist, there was an interesting event which happened in the north of france about thirty years ago, was reported in the press and had many people interested, even creating a state wide conversation at the time.
    So in a city north of France which was an industrial city, came to happen a series of rapes with the guilty person at large not having been traced by the police. One night, a single woman was coming home late from work, during the winter, streets were empty and as she was walking home, she started to hear behind her the steps and pace of a man following her. She would slow down and he would too, then she would walk faster and he would copy his steps on hers. And after about a few long minutes of this, as she was reaching her home address, terrified, she made a quick and intuitive decision : she turned around and walked back to him, and stated to him in a hurried voice, that she was terrified due to the last reports, and she was begging his help to accompany her to her home which was very close. The man looked totally astonished, and then slowly offered his arm and accompanied her to her home, and before separating she thanked him from the bottom of her heart, truly.

    It came out weeks after that, the man was arrested, turned out to have been that same man following this woman. Later on when his trial came on, it came to be known that as a child he had been mistreated by his mother, who once came to his school, to his class and in presence of fellow mates and teacher ( this was late 50s ) obliged his son to pull down his pants as a reprieve for something he had done at home.

    This is such an extraordinary story where, definitely, a move from STS to STO was made, at least to my sense ... Anyone ?? Wink
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