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    Shin'Ar

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    03-25-2012, 05:16 PM
    Tenet Nosche,

    First of all I very much respect your candor and focus. It is becoming increasingly easier to understand your depth.

    Now, I am not here to convert anyone to a certain way of thinking because we all come to higher undertstanding via very different paths. But when we attempt to relate our experiences to each other we speak in terms with which we are familiar and relate to experiences that we have had.

    It is obvious that your experiences might be very different from mine simply because we each apply our own perceptions to them. So it can happen that when one person speaks of love toward others, another person may not recognize that defintion of it.

    To me, loving others does not mean that one must act contrary to how they might feel. It means that when we are in a negative mood for some reason that we do not act out negatively toward someone. We control our base urges and find a way to avoid abusing the other in any way. Even if that means ignoring them to seek solitude. Even if that means that they might not get a smile in return as we keep our angry gaze to the ground instead.

    Loving others does not have to be to the extent of sacrificing some part of our lives for the benefit of others. It could just be making sure that the things we do is not a deliberate means of causing someone esle harm or suffering.

    Yes, there are many so called saints out there who spend their entire lives giving to others. Does that mean that we have to define loving others by their extreme? Does the fact that Mother Theresa lived in poverty all of her life caring for the sick and homless mean that my being a foster parent is not loving by comparison?

    Yes, there are many instances where loving others can both be taken advantage of, and seemingly wasted on the undeserving. But, we do not measure the love by its results. We measure love by its intentions.

    I think that you and I have much the same character traits. Anyone who knows me casually would say that I am a tough guy with no sense of gentleness whatsoever. But those who know me intimately know that my heart is filled with love and I am really just a big old teddy bear. Like you, I really do not express a loving persona, but I live by a code. And that code has always been to do what I think was the right thing to do at the time, and hopefully not have to hurt anyone esle in the process. And that judgement I carry on my shoulders alone. it is not part of a doctrine or a religious dogma. And it is always very much based on the 'in the moment' circumstances.

    You have been hurt Tenet, and I can feel your pain. But you know that inside you feel love. regardless of what anyone else thinks or defines, you know what you feel. And if that is your guide, than you are a being that loves others.

    The opposite to what you are is a being that has no love or concern for others and thinks only of themselves at all times. Those people will stab a friend in the back without remorse. They will place their families in front of them as shields just to protect themselves. They would betray the trust of those who love them because it means nothing to them.

    These are the defintions of love for others and love for self.

    And by no means is love for self ever to be considered evolving or growing into higher being because it does not acknowledge the loss of self to the One Consciousness. Self gratification is not aware of how it is One with the All. It is aware only of self.

    Does this mean that we do not all engage in a little self graitifcation at times, or that those who usually only think of themselves sometimes have events of compassion toward someone esle? Absolutley not! We are all human. And this is where our awareness and choices define who and what we will become, as opposed to what we might be at the time.

    There is always direction!




    For those of you who I keep hearing making refernces to the 'veil', I would like to offer my understanding of what the veil is.

    In Ancient teachings the veil is like the veil that a woman uses to conceal her beauty. This she uses to convey a mystery that is only revealed at the right time when the person who seeks her truly finds her.

    In such defintion it has always been applied to the Goddess. It was both the veil that kept the secret of the Mystery hidden, and it also became the portal by which true seekers would pass upon discovering the truth of the Goddess. That truth being that the Goddess resided within them waiting to be awakened.

    This use of it as having something to do with density and distortion I am unfamiliar with.
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    03-25-2012, 05:31 PM
    (03-25-2012, 02:42 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: The point is that so many people get all bent out of sorts when they learn about these "evil" or "STS" people at the top of various power pyramids controlling the masses. But the reason they get away with these various schemes is precisely because the "ignorant masses" fail to learn these lessons about loving folly and naivete. They fall for the same old plots again and again and again. This is why "STS" laughs. It is such easy pickings!

    Well, I certainly agree that there are leaders or the so called "elite" that are in ruling position, but as I see it - they aren't the ones who are doing the job. It isn't politicians and bank owners who are executing their own orders. They give orders, but it's normal, usual people who are executing them. And sure, one can argue about wake these masses up, but isn't it a wisdom to realize that you can not wake someone up who wants to sleep? And is that not the whole point of this density too? To sleep, wake up, start seeking, make the choice, whatever that makes you to move on. But there will always be the next one, learning these same lessons?

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:Rather, if people learned to be a little more discerning. A little less trusting in appearances and what appears to be on the surface (all the smiles and niceties, and false promises of a better future (e.g. "Change We Can Believe In!), then the dark forces would not be able to keep their toehold in this reality. We are not victims to "STS". We open the door to them as vampires seeking shelter in the sunlight, foolishly thinking that we are going to rehabilitate them with our love.

    I guess that not all catalysts are the ones of unicorns and rainbows. In order to learn wisdom, you have to have an experience where wisdom can be learned. Being a folly loving puppy tail giving your son money for rehabilitation from the drugs which then turns around his life into walking on the fluffy clouds, doesn't teach wisdom. It's like when a parent tells the child to not touch that hot iron for the child will burn itself - some do listen, and trust that information. But others need to experience that for themselves. How hot is it? Does the parent tell the truth? etc etc (Still have a scar from that hot iron Angel)

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    03-25-2012, 05:45 PM
    the fact that this world is ruled by an elite system of self servers is not a reason to abandon hope for love or the many innocent ignorant masses who are unaware of the true aspects of such elitism.

    We do not give our Mother Earth over to them willingly in defeat just because they have such powerful control. Loving beings will not lie down in apathy, they will pick up their torch and hold it high so that even if one person should become aware of the truth, than their love has been rewarded.

    This doesn't mean that we must make it our life's journey to oust the bad guy, it just means that, if we are aware, and we love our fellowman and care that their plight might be different if we would just hold up that torch, than we hold it high. Not in pride or expectation. But simply because we care about what it might have to offer.
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    03-25-2012, 06:06 PM (This post was last modified: 03-25-2012, 06:40 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    (03-25-2012, 05:31 PM)Ankh Wrote: Well, I certainly agree that there are leaders or the so called "elite" that are in ruling position, but as I see it - they aren't the ones who are doing the job. It isn't politicians and bank owners who are executing their own orders. They give orders, but it's normal, usual people who are executing them. And sure, one can argue about wake these masses up, but isn't it a wisdom to realize that you can not wake someone up who wants to sleep? And is that not the whole point of this density too? To sleep, wake up, start seeking, make the choice, whatever that makes you to move on. But there will always be the next one, learning these same lessons?

    For sure! I suppose what I am getting at is the person who says they want to wake up, but based on their actions doesn't really want to. So many people now are out there "spreading the word" about this or that conspiracy, negative agenda, controlling elite, etc., but refuse to see how they, themselves, have contributed to the problems they are supposedly railing against.

    For example- I can go on and on about the bankers and the federal reserve. But I was the one who signed all those student loan papers. I am the one who still charges things on my Bank of America credit card so I can get my frequent flier miles. I am the one who is still using Federal Reserve Notes to buy my groceries. So to my way of thinking, railing against the bankers only goes so far. If I -truly- want to do something about this situation, I need to actually change things about how I operate my life in order to reduce my personal contribution to these systems. And I have changed a LOT. It's a process and doesn't happen all at once. And I am "OK" with where I am at in the process.

    Other folks- well if I even "dare" suggest that THEY are part of the problem they are railing against... LOOK OUT! Here comes the defensiveness, the denial, the accusations, and all the rest. So, on the one hand, they SAY they want to wake up... but waking up actually involves taking responsibility, which in turn involves the realization that we are all connected. It's not just somebody "out there" doing "bad stuff" to me... it is me who is inviting the "bad stuff" through my participation in it.

    If somebody wants to sleep, that is their prerogative. But claiming one is awake while denying responsibility for their own circumstances in life is just plain absurd, in my book.

    Quote:I guess that not all catalysts are the ones of unicorns and rainbows. In order to learn wisdom, you have to have an experience where wisdom can be learned. Being a folly loving puppy tail giving your son money for rehabilitation from the drugs which then turns around his life into walking on the fluffy clouds, doesn't teach wisdom. It's like when a parent tells the child to not touch that hot iron for the child will burn itself - some do listen, and trust that information. But others need to experience that for themselves. How hot is it? Does the parent tell the truth? etc etc (Still have a scar from that hot iron Angel)

    Right. And so you learned. But at what point does that person who needs to "experience that for themselves" finally start to appreciate the wisdom of others, and to actually listen to it? How many "lessons" need to be learned, before the meta-lesson is learned that one does not have to experience each and every thing for themselves, in order to grow? According to my understanding, much of fourth density experience is about learning from the experiences of others, and understanding that this is a much more efficient way of growing than the somewhat childish approach which says one must do everything on their own.


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    03-25-2012, 06:33 PM
    (03-25-2012, 04:29 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Isn't this- really- the most fundamental "lesson" which needs to be learned? The ability to think beyond "black and white", "good and evil", etc?

    The most fundamental lesson right now (and specially in 3D) would be to seek to learn Love. The "heart" of Creation is Love. If/when one learns Love in its unconditional fullness, then, by defect, duality no longer holds sway because Oneness is all there is.

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    03-25-2012, 06:38 PM
    (03-25-2012, 06:33 PM)Siren Wrote:
    (03-25-2012, 04:29 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Isn't this- really- the most fundamental "lesson" which needs to be learned? The ability to think beyond "black and white", "good and evil", etc?

    The most fundamental lesson right now (and specially in 3D) would be to seek to learn Love. The "heart" of Creation is Love. If/when one learns Love in its unconditional fullness, then, by defect, duality no longer holds sway because Oneness is all there is.

    Theoretically speaking, I get it. Practically speaking, I see a lot of love "this", not "that".

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    03-25-2012, 07:00 PM
    (03-25-2012, 06:06 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: For sure! I suppose what I am getting at is the person who says they want to wake up, but based on their actions doesn't really want to. So many people now are out there "spreading the word" about this or that conspiracy, negative agenda, controlling elite, etc., but refuse to see how they, themselves, have contributed to the problems they are supposedly railing against.

    For example- I can go on and on about the bankers and the federal reserve. But I was the one who signed all those student loan papers. I am the one who still charges things on my Bank of America credit card so I can get my frequent flier miles. I am the one who is still using Federal Reserve Notes to buy my groceries. So to my way of thinking, railing against the bankers only goes so far. If I -truly- want to do something about this situation, I need to actually change things about how I operate my life in order to reduce my personal contribution to these systems. And I have changed a LOT. It's a process and doesn't happen all at once. And I am "OK" with where I am at in the process.

    Other folks- well if I even "dare" suggest that THEY are part of the problem they are railing against... LOOK OUT! Here comes the defensiveness, the denial, the accusations, and all the rest. So, on the one hand, they SAY they want to wake up... but waking up actually involves taking responsibility, which in turn involves the realization that we are all connected. It's not just somebody "out there" doing "bad stuff" to me... it is me who is inviting the "bad stuff" through my participation in it.

    If somebody wants to sleep, that is their prerogative. But claiming one is awake while denying responsibility for their own circumstances in life is just plain absurd, in my book.

    Right. People are complaining about the traffic, while sitting in the car.

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:Right. And so you learned. But at what point does that person who needs to "experience that for themselves" finally start to appreciate the wisdom of others, and to actually listen to it? How many "lessons" need to be learned, before the meta-lesson is learned that one does not have to experience each and every thing for themselves, in order to grow? According to my understanding, much of fourth density experience is about learning from the experiences of others, and understanding that this is a much more efficient way of growing than the somewhat childish approach which says one must do everything on their own.

    I understand what you are saying, and it's valid questions. My take is that you can scream as much as you want, "warning" people about this or that; if they are not ready to receive your message, it doesn't matter what you do or say - unless you make them to listen, and these methods are known as manipulation, controlling, using fear, enslavement etc. Perhaps detachment to the outcome is the lesson of wisdom? Offer what you have - but if misses the mark, you move on? And why is that people are not listening? My take is that Creator already knows Itself.

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    03-25-2012, 07:11 PM (This post was last modified: 03-25-2012, 07:16 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    (03-25-2012, 05:16 PM)ShinAr Wrote: First of all I very much respect your candor and focus. It is becoming increasingly easier to understand your depth.

    Thanks!

    Quote:To me, loving others does not mean that one must act contrary to how they might feel. It means that when we are in a negative mood for some reason that we do not act out negatively toward someone. We control our base urges and find a way to avoid abusing the other in any way. Even if that means ignoring them to seek solitude. Even if that means that they might not get a smile in return as we keep our angry gaze to the ground instead.

    Exactly.

    Quote:Loving others does not have to be to the extent of sacrificing some part of our lives for the benefit of others. It could just be making sure that the things we do is not a deliberate means of causing someone esle harm or suffering.

    Agreed.

    Quote:Yes, there are many instances where loving others can both be taken advantage of, and seemingly wasted on the undeserving. But, we do not measure the love by its results. We measure love by its intentions.

    Yes- this is true. Though sometimes the result of loving is getting abused and taking advantage of. If one continues to allow oneself to be abused, focusing solely on the positive intention behind their loving, this is folly.

    Quote:I think that you and I have much the same character traits. Anyone who knows me casually would say that I am a tough guy with no sense of gentleness whatsoever. But those who know me intimately know that my heart is filled with love and I am really just a big old teddy bear. Like you, I really do not express a loving persona, but I live by a code. And that code has always been to do what I think was the right thing to do at the time, and hopefully not have to hurt anyone esle in the process. And that judgement I carry on my shoulders alone. it is not part of a doctrine or a religious dogma. And it is always very much based on the 'in the moment' circumstances.

    I don't know if anybody would call me a "tough guy" but I am sure that I come off as aloof or arrogant for my expressed disinterest and/or distaste for most group activities based on herd mentality. I can't help my nature... if the crowd is heading east, I take that as a sure sign to go west. They can call me what they will, but this methodology works in terms of getting me where I want to be.

    Quote:You have been hurt Tenet, and I can feel your pain. But you know that inside you feel love. regardless of what anyone else thinks or defines, you know what you feel. And if that is your guide, than you are a being that loves others.

    Yes, I know that. Smile Which is why I would be more than a bit incredulous at being labeled "STS" for employing sarcasm in a thread, or for "liking" a post that another doesn't agree with. For the record, I tend to give "likes" to posts that cause me to think deeper about an issue, not necessarily because I agree with what the poster is saying.

    Quote:The opposite to what you are is a being that has no love or concern for others and thinks only of themselves at all times. Those people will stab a friend in the back without remorse. They will place their families in front of them as shields just to protect themselves. They would betray the trust of those who love them because it means nothing to them.

    These are the defintions of love for others and love for self.

    Possibly. I imagine if one were able to peer inside the hearts of these types they would find more self-loathing than self-love.
    (03-25-2012, 07:00 PM)Ankh Wrote: I understand what you are saying, and it's valid questions. My take is that you can scream as much as you want, "warning" people about this or that; if they are not ready to receive your message, it doesn't matter what you do or say - unless you make them to listen, and these methods are known as manipulation, controlling, using fear, enslavement etc.

    True enough.

    Quote:Perhaps detachment to the outcome is the lesson of wisdom? Offer what you have - but if misses the mark, you move on? And why is that people are not listening? My take is that Creator already knows Itself.

    Perhaps, then, the lesson is not so much wisdom as faith.



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    03-25-2012, 10:42 PM
    (03-25-2012, 07:11 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:
    Quote:Perhaps detachment to the outcome is the lesson of wisdom? Offer what you have - but if misses the mark, you move on? And why is that people are not listening? My take is that Creator already knows Itself.

    Perhaps, then, the lesson is not so much wisdom as faith.

    I'll give you a "like" as it is defined by you for this statement. Yeah... who the heck knows anything for sure being here, where we have to take everything on faith (and where perhaps the fool is the only one who is dumb enough to love no matter what)?
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    (03-25-2012, 10:42 PM)Ankh Wrote: I'll give you a "like" as it is defined by you for this statement. Yeah... who the heck knows anything for sure being here, where we have to take everything on faith (and where perhaps the fool is the only one who is dumb enough to love no matter what)?

    I am reminded of some of Yadda's more poignant points on folly:

    24 Jun 84

    Quote:Many and many are the lessons of love which involve the ultimately frustrating fact that all wisdom, money and power are equal to folly, foolishness and ignorance in the handling of a certain situation. To be wise and to be foolish are as one, for some situations are unacceptable and shall remain so, and it is against the hard wall of this fact of the illusion that you must press the mind and your spirit until ultimately all gives way to the understanding that in love, in the original Thought, all things are acceptable. All things have an acceptable time and an acceptable space, for all things that are endured are also outlasted; all teach love.

    18 Nov 84

    Quote:My friends, it is a great folly, or so it seems to be, encased in such flesh as you experience in your density. You feel clumsy and awkward, and so you are, compared to higher density bodies. You feel numb and unable to see the larger picture, and this is so compared to the awareness available at other levels of vibration. Yet yours is the splendor of giving the true generosity that only comes when you truly cannot see and cannot hear the divine but only have faith that there is such a thing as divine love.

    07 Apr 85

    Quote:Who are you? Where are you going? And what do you believe the truth to be? Seek these things. Care not for the folly of the squabbles of relationships, the difficulties with making the money, but only view your living as one who has discovered dirt. Then one must automatically make up the soap in order that one may be clean. We are not not saying that before you noticed the dirt you were not dirty. We are only saying that the dirty man that is not aware does not need to discover soap. You have chosen to see the dirt. We encourage you to try to get your ring around the collar very clean. But please, do not puff yourself up as consequential, and do not puff up others. You must use your discrimination as always—on us, on any teacher, or on yourself. But remember: yourself first.

    12 May 85

    Quote:And yet, we tell you something. We are nothing. We are fools. We are full of error and mistake, folly and fun. We are mostly full of a fun which amounts to enlightenment. We pass from folly to joy. Not because we have learned wisdom, steps to take, rituals to practice. No, we find ourselves.
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    03-26-2012, 12:28 PM
    Who is this Yadda?

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    03-26-2012, 12:37 PM
    Maybe Yoda's brother?
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    03-26-2012, 12:40 PM
    (03-26-2012, 12:28 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Who is this Yadda?

    Yadda is an entity that was sort of sporadically channeled by Carla. I've collated the sessions, as well as commentary on Yadda by other channeled entities in this thread: Yadda Yadda

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    03-26-2012, 12:40 PM
    "Now, you are a spiritual engine. You were made to do work. What is your fuel? Who are you?"

    I like this.
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    03-26-2012, 12:59 PM
    How wonderful it is that these things always fall into place for me so long as I hold true to my path.

    Latwii said in that discourse :

    "We see a future in which each touches many individuals and speaks with compassion and inspiration of the One which indwells in all.

    We see a future in which the being of each shines brightly as a beacon and illumines the darkness by its very being with no movement required at all.

    We see a future in which each walks a path which is most appropriate, which is to say, that as one places a foot upon the ground and does so in a thoughtful manner centered upon the one Creator, it will therefore be as natural as breathing to place the foot upon the path, one foot after another, until the journey is traveled one step at a time.

    We see a future in which all these things are possible, made possible by the firm desire to serve and the free desire for no particular outcome, for as the one Creator moves through each, the will of the one Creator shall be made known, and if each can remove its small self’s will, then the will of the great One shall move through each as a channel, and shall carve its own pattern and write upon your third-density creation the words of illumination that inspire and provoke the seeking of those who dwell in darkness." UNQUOTE


    This is the perfect example of what I have been trying to express. We should all strive to be beacons to those lost in darkness. How many times have I been told that it was preaching? How many have said that we should leave the lost to their own resources? I realize I must adhere to forun rules and I shall. But my understanding is not altered by rules that are imposed upon me.

    The paths spoken of here are not the paths of STS/STO, but the very personal experiences of each of us as individuals. But all paths should be centered on the One Creator, where each of us 'can remove its small self’s will'.

    I cannot recall in Carla's interview exactly what year she disassociated herself from the Circle R group and their fanaticism. I will go back to that and listen to it again. But I think it is safe to say that she was not denying the teachiongs of hatonn and Latwii, but the practices of those that were trying to live by them.

    I find that Hatonn and Latwii represent my understandings in a far more simplistic manner thyan does Ra.

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    This is because Hatonn and Latwii are translating conceptions from a lower vibration and degree of awareness than Ra.

    To my understanding, Hatonn is 4D, Latwii is 5D, and Ra is 6D, each of these in correspondance to their understanding of the Light/Love of the Creator. 4D is designated the place where "Love" is developed. They say we are here in the third learning about love, most important, where to place that love. In 4D we refine the direction of that Love, which is why this is also heavily a realm of "light vs dark" as it is the place of passion and attraction, and working with that Love. 5D is designated as the level of Wisdom, so, this actually follows right with what you said in the other thread, that "Wisdom arises from Love". This seems to also be true in the Ra way of thinking. 6D therefore is the designation of Unity. Now, I don't think this is to be taken as the point of unity, but rather that the lessons and growth within this place is based entirely upon an entity's understanding and perception of unity with all. Once the entity has attained sufficient perception they then turn forward to the Gateway of the 7th and are then off in to the next realms/octave of the Universal structure.
    Of course, important to note that all entities exist in all densities at all times. (Ra does state this.) And rather the choice of your body, or the concentration of your consciousness in to one particular range of frequencies is expressed as an "Activation" of that body (For example, 3rd density yellow-ray chemical body), while the others continue to exist in potentiation, or in the inner planes.
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    03-26-2012, 01:37 PM
    According to Ra only the first sub-density of 4D(from both ways) may see "thought war" as a beneficial thing.

    After that all other sub-densities are of a different approach.
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    03-26-2012, 01:41 PM (This post was last modified: 03-26-2012, 02:16 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    (03-26-2012, 12:59 PM)ShinAr Wrote: I cannot recall in Carla's interview exactly what year she disassociated herself from the Circle R group and their fanaticism. I will go back to that and listen to it again. But I think it is safe to say that she was not denying the teachiongs of hatonn and Latwii, but the practices of those that were trying to live by them.

    This might be a bit tangential to your comment, however I think it is relevant. If one peruses through the Brown Notebook, and the early L/L Transcripts, they will see that Hatonn was- on multiple occasions- planning a mass landing to greet the people of earth. I am not exactly sure, but I believe the first one was in 1968 and another in 1977. Clearly, these plans fell through.

    There was also interesting talk by Hatonn later about some takeover of the airwaves in order to broadcast a message to all of humanity. I started a discussion about this in the thread: 1981.01.05 - 1981.01.15 Last Hatonn Contact Before Ra

    In my fallible opinion, I think what has been going on here is that earth is as a "melting pot" for the galaxy. Beyond all the native inhabitants, we have all manner of "wanderers" from ET civilizations at varying levels of development from late 3D through mid 6D incarnated into human form. Each of these groups has sent out a "call" which has resulted in the arrival of their space brethren from the far reaches of the galaxy... and maybe even beyond. It also appears that, upon their various arrivals, many of these groups were surprised to find that they were not the only ones here.

    The first "calls" in recent times occurred after the detonation of nuclear weapons in Japan. As near as I can discern, those of Hatonn were among the first on the scene, and seem to hail from somewhere in mid 4D. Thus, while quite loving, Hatonn tends to be a little naive in their view- hence the notion that they could simply decloak their ships and reach out to greet humanity with open arms.

    Other groups were strongly opposed to this idea. In particular some groups which worked with humanity in the distant past, and learned the hard way of what happens when advanced beings make contact with a population before they are spiritually developed enough to view them as equals, rather than "gods". These groups- mostly hailing from 6D- proposed to maintain a strict code of nonintervention in earthly matters other than to beam love and light to the planet and let everything sort itself out.

    Still other groups had a more radical plan... these groups proposed that the best thing to do would be to withdraw all influence from this sphere- overt or hidden- and allow the STS faction to proceed without delay. The idea being similar to inducing a fever in one whose body seems unable to mount one on its own to root out an infection.

    Then there are those who ostensibly never left the "inner planes" and have been living "underground" in Agartha/Shambhalla, or whatever the energetic equivalent is of that. Some of these groups are quite aloof to events on the surface, and appear to be "waiting it out" for an opportunity to leave this sphere and return to their respective homes.

    And THEN there were myriad groups suggesting various kinds of compromises and mixed approaches to the situation. So it has all been quite the cosmic clusterf^(& to say the least!

    Now despite all this, it is my understanding (limited and fallible though it may be) that an agreement on strategy has been reached, and is now in the midst of implementation. It does involve a degree of intervention in terms of the nonviolent removal of certain individuals who are fully committed to graduation on the negative path- essentially keeping these folks in quarantine until "Graduation Day" meanwhile allowing some much needed relief for the rest of the population.

    Anyhow, I am rambling and hardly an "authorized representative" of any of these factions. So take it all with a grain of salt!






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    03-26-2012, 01:47 PM
    Very interesting summary Tenet. Do you think some plans will finally manifest, before the end of this year ?

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    03-26-2012, 02:12 PM
    (03-26-2012, 01:47 PM)Valtor Wrote: Very interesting summary Tenet. Do you think some plans will finally manifest, before the end of this year ?

    Honestly, I struggle with this on a daily basis. It is difficult to have faith despite all evidence to the contrary... but then again I suppose that is the definition of faith!

    I can say this... if something obvious doesn't manifest before the end of the year, I will need to go back and re-evaluate pretty much my entire life.

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    03-26-2012, 02:18 PM
    Personally, I've already accepted that "nothing" may happen, because I know that something is always happening, everything is always changing in every moment and I have only that choice of whether or not I want to be a part of it, and if I do, whether or not I am going to enhance it or diminish it.
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    03-26-2012, 02:52 PM (This post was last modified: 03-26-2012, 02:53 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    (03-26-2012, 02:18 PM)TheEternal Wrote: Personally, I've already accepted that "nothing" may happen, because I know that something is always happening, everything is always changing in every moment and I have only that choice of whether or not I want to be a part of it, and if I do, whether or not I am going to enhance it or diminish it.

    A wise approach. I can definitely accept that "nothing" will happen, and have contingency "plans" to start a small healing retreat center somewhere beautiful... Costa Rica is on the top of the list!

    However, if "nothing" indeed does (not) happen- then I would still have to reconsider all the piles of evidence and experience which have led me to believe that I am here to assist others through a major global transition, and why I have been given all this voluminous information about it.

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    03-26-2012, 05:14 PM
    Why does a transition have to be flashy?

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    (03-26-2012, 05:14 PM)TheEternal Wrote: Why does a transition have to be flashy?

    It doesn't.

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    Then I think we can assume it's going to happen one way or another! The only constant is change.
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    03-26-2012, 08:54 PM
    (03-25-2012, 05:45 PM)ShinAr Wrote: the fact that this world is ruled by an elite system of self servers is not a reason to abandon hope for love or the many innocent ignorant masses who are unaware of the true aspects of such elitism.

    We do not give our Mother Earth over to them willingly in defeat just because they have such powerful control. Loving beings will not lie down in apathy, they will pick up their torch and hold it high so that even if one person should become aware of the truth, than their love has been rewarded.

    This doesn't mean that we must make it our life's journey to oust the bad guy, it just means that, if we are aware, and we love our fellowman and care that their plight might be different if we would just hold up that torch, than we hold it high. Not in pride or expectation. But simply because we care about what it might have to offer.

    Well said!


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    03-27-2012, 02:00 PM (This post was last modified: 03-27-2012, 02:05 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    Silly me! I forgot to mention perhaps the most poignant example of "loving folly" as regards the subject matter of this forum, and in particular this thread... which would be that of a group of highly evolved beings known as "Ra" who came to earth in physical bodies, and attempted to teach the Law of One to a population that was not sufficiently prepared. As far as I can tell, the entire 5000 years of recorded human history is the story of the fallout from these actions of loving folly untempered by wisdom. Wink
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    03-27-2012, 03:26 PM
    (03-27-2012, 02:00 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Silly me! I forgot to mention perhaps the most poignant example of "loving folly" as regards the subject matter of this forum, and in particular this thread... which would be that of a group of highly evolved beings known as "Ra" who came to earth in physical bodies, and attempted to teach the Law of One to a population that was not sufficiently prepared. As far as I can tell, the entire 5000 years of recorded human history is the story of the fallout from these actions of loving folly untempered by wisdom. Wink

    And this forum is the grand fruition, the wonderful result of that alleged 'folly', a place that proves that there are indeed those among humanity who are perfectly ready and willing to positively implement the Law of One in a practical manner, integrate it into our lives, to do all within our power to ensure that harmony and unity are achieved for all others if that is what is wished by the avid student of this material, and for the general betterment and hopeful awakening of the one whom comes across Ra's words through Carla.
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    03-27-2012, 03:29 PM
    Exactly, so now we are ready. And we are still waiting. But we are waiting for what exactly? Smile

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    03-27-2012, 03:32 PM
    (03-27-2012, 02:00 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Silly me! I forgot to mention perhaps the most poignant example of "loving folly" as regards the subject matter of this forum, and in particular this thread... which would be that of a group of highly evolved beings known as "Ra" who came to earth in physical bodies, and attempted to teach the Law of One to a population that was not sufficiently prepared. As far as I can tell, the entire 5000 years of recorded human history is the story of the fallout from these actions of loving folly untempered by wisdom. Wink

    I don't agree with this. This method has been used for at least 3 billions of years by Confederation entities, that is by landing and teach/learning in the physical. The Earth is different, and Confederation entities, including Ra, learning it as this drama goes on. However, Ra never landed the second time, although there were others that did, and it didn't go... well, well from STO point of view. It has nothing to do with them not having enough wisdom, in my belief, but with the unpredictable situation on planet Earth.
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