Spaceship Moon

[indolering]

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Interesting, Parsons.

Q'uo claims not to know the reason for the moon's placement but acknowledges that it was consciously placed there. I suspect he may know more than he's letting on, and perhaps it is the law of confusion which really prevents him from revealing more.... I don't know, it's just speculation. But the manifold anomalies of the Earth/Moon/Sun system are not speculation - they are astronomical facts which demand explanation - and thus far, the only theory which even comes close to explaining the anomalies is the Spaceship Moon theory.

Just a word about my own position: I am partial to the Spaceship Moon theory but only because it explains the astronomical data. If anyone can propose another more plausible hypothesis which accounts for the data, I'm all ears. It's the truth we're after, not the imposition of any particular theory.

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/yawn

Fear-mongering.

To understand the nature and 'laws' of our 3D world is not a useless exercise. If you wish to explain that ultimately it is we ourselves who are responsible for the oppression, that's fine with me - I don't agree with it and when your 'illusory' world comes crashing down all around you and your family asks where is their dinner, you will feel the fear and trembling which you chose to ignore. You live in an airy, fairy, new age world where all is illusion, no separation, and it's all within, brother.... You live in a box just as much as your ordinary Judeo/Christian patriot who hasn't a clue that the world has been stolen by a handful of bankers and industrialists. You think that slavery is somehow unreal or that if we just change ourselves, the slavery would end.... I'm sorry. I just don't see it that way. When the s*** hits the fan in earnest and the suffering on this planet increases a hundred-fold, you won't be so quick to dismiss those who saw the collapse on the horizon.... We won't have long to wait before we know how this story will unfold.

[Sagittarius]

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Interesting, Parsons.

Q'uo claims not to know the reason for the moon's placement but acknowledges that it was consciously placed there. I suspect he may know more than he's letting on, and perhaps it is the law of confusion which really prevents him from revealing more.... I don't know, it's just speculation. But the manifold anomalies of the Earth/Moon/Sun system are not speculation - they are astronomical facts which demand explanation - and thus far, the only theory which even comes close to explaining the anomalies is the Spaceship Moon theory.

Just a word about my own position: I am partial to the Spaceship Moon theory but only because it explains the astronomical data. If anyone can propose another more plausible hypothesis which accounts for the data, I'm all ears. It's the truth we're after, not the imposition of any particular theory.

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/yawn

Fear-mongering.

To understand the nature and 'laws' of our 3D world is not a useless exercise. If you wish to explain that ultimately it is we ourselves who are responsible for the oppression, that's fine with me - I don't agree with it and when your 'illusory' world comes crashing down all around you and your family asks where is their dinner, you will feel the fear and trembling which you chose to ignore. You live in an airy, fairy, new age world where all is illusion, no separation, and it's all within, brother.... You live in a box just as much as your ordinary Judeo/Christian patriot who hasn't a clue that the world has been stolen by a handful of bankers and industrialists. You think that slavery is somehow unreal or that if we just change ourselves, the slavery would end.... I'm sorry. I just don't see it that way. When the s*** hits the fan in earnest and the suffering on this planet increases a hundred-fold, you won't be so quick to dismiss those who saw the collapse on the horizon.... We won't have long to wait before we know how this story will unfold.

You sound like your trying to convince yourself more then Azrael. I have faith that whatever may come everything will be alright. Why would all the joy, peace and knowledge I have been building in myself for these past few years suddenly stop and decrease ? My momentum is going towards thoughts of peace and love, not of giving false power to those who still believe in the illusion of power.

Above none, none above me.

[indolering]

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I don't need to convince myself, nor do I need to convince anyone else. It is my duty to speak the truth as I see it, that is all.

You ask what could possibly deflect the momentum of your peace and love...? Sometimes words are not enough.

[Sagittarius]

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I don't need to convince myself, nor do I need to convince anyone else. It is my duty to speak the truth as I see it, that is all.

You ask what could possibly deflect the momentum of your peace and love...? Sometimes words are not enough.

All that picture shows me is peace and love. It shows me the need for it. The need for positive change. It teaches me more about myself then about the two in the photo. Perhaps in the past It would have deflected my momentum however I have accepted the negative into the positive and there is only one momentum for me now.

[Patrick]

This photo isn't pushing my buttons anymore either. Thank you my friend for bringing this test.

[Kalle]

I had a dream on thursday night (actually a few different scenarios, and the first in a long time that I've recalled upon waking - finally started a journal!) where I was walking along a seemingly familiar path using the moonlight to see. I arrived at a large field gate, before I passed through it I looked up to see the moon with a very mischievous smile - 'odd?' I thought, then I started to gaze at the stars wondering if the positive ET's would reveal themselves to me. I think I passed through the gate then looked back up to see it was very cloudy, though through a gap in them I could see the moons 'face' was now quite upset.

Don't really know why I've added that, though if I hadn't have had the dream I probably wouldn't have read the topic start to finish last night. Really enjoyed some parts of it, I've made a little 'to-do' list of things to look up.

I do wonder when it may have been manouvered into position?

[Parsons]

I do wonder when it may have been manouvered into position?

This question in particular has been on my mind as I keep getting this unshakeable impression that Luna showed up at some point during our 75k year cycle. And also who put her there if that is the case. In fact, it was going to be next question in the 'ask GW_V any question' thread. But feel free to ask yourself if you want, as I am already awaiting an answer and don't want to bog him down with too many questions.

[indolering]

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@Sagittarius & Patrick:

I think you both may have missed the real point here - will you have that peace when the cabal blows apart your daughter? In case you haven't noticed, no country or ethnicity is safe from these war mongers. There will be no peace until they are removed from power. You may not feel the responsibility to actively remove the conditions of our enslavement - or perhaps you believe that as long as your own consciousness feels free then you've done enough - I don't know and I don't care what you believe is right. I know that I will never be completely at peace until peace returns to the entire planet. I can never be comfortable knowing that half of the world is starving and the other half is under attack.

Kalle:

Good post. I commend you for beginning a journal. Writing has helped me through the years to express what I'm feeling and to solidify my thinking.
There are ancient legends of various cultures which speak of a time when there was no moon.... My own feeling is that the moon was moved to its present orbit 10,000-20,000 years ago. I believe that Marciniak's Pleiadians claimed that the moon was originally crafted by a positive race of beings and then hijacked by negatives. It appears that one or more negative races currently control the moon and are using it to monitor and manipulate humanity.

[Patrick]

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@Sagittarius & Patrick:

I think you both may have missed the real point here - will you have that peace when the cabal blows apart your daughter? In case you haven't noticed, no country or ethnicity is safe from these war mongers. There will be no peace until they are removed from power. You may not feel the responsibility to actively remove the conditions of our enslavement...

In order to do this, I can only work on smoothing the distortions I find within my Self. We can never do this for other selves.

I just created a thread (previously posted on another forum) about this subject.

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=5060

Are you awake my friend?

If you are awake or just realized that there are indeed Elites running a big part of the show.

How do you react to this? Are you preparing to stand up to the Elites? Are you even willing to fight so we can be free?

If so then you might as well not be awake for all the help this attitude brings us. Because it's not nearly awake enough!

This attitude actually helps the Elites very much. The unawakened people's vibrations are higher than yours if you think that we need to fight the Elites.

So I would suggest that you stop stressing about the Elites and their plans and this attitude will help your real awakening.

Once truly awake, you will understand that it is by working on our Selves that the Elites will ultimately become obsolete. Each of us becoming more heart centered is what truly helps us all.

Realize how judging each others is what gave rise to the Elites in the first place. Realize how forgiveness stops the effects that all these judgements has put in motion.

Once you have realized this, you will find your Self standing in unconditional love. You will have won the game and made it so that the Elites have no effects on you anymore and eventually the whole world. Not by taking arms but by your compassionate attitude.

I hope you found this awakening.

[indolering]

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As I've stated before, here and elsewhere, work on oneself and service are both necessary. Service without enlightenment is fruitless - and enlightenment without service is impotent. I don't fight the illuminazis nor do I stress over them - I make it a point to cease all cooperation with our enslavement and urge others to do the same.

[Parsons]

My own feeling is that the moon was moved to its present orbit 10,000-20,000 years ago. I believe that Marciniak's Pleiadians claimed that the moon was originally crafted by a positive race of beings and then hijacked by negatives. It appears that one or more negative races currently control the moon and are using it to monitor and manipulate humanity.

That sounds about right, especially the time-frame given.

[Sagittarius]

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@Sagittarius & Patrick:

I think you both may have missed the real point here - will you have that peace when the cabal blows apart your daughter? In case you haven't noticed, no country or ethnicity is safe from these war mongers. There will be no peace until they are removed from power. You may not feel the responsibility to actively remove the conditions of our enslavement - or perhaps you believe that as long as your own consciousness feels free then you've done enough - I don't know and I don't care what you believe is right. I know that I will never be completely at peace until peace returns to the entire planet. I can never be comfortable knowing that half of the world is starving and the other half is under attack.

Kalle:

Good post. I commend you for beginning a journal. Writing has helped me through the years to express what I'm feeling and to solidify my thinking.
There are ancient legends of various cultures which speak of a time when there was no moon.... My own feeling is that the moon was moved to its present orbit 10,000-20,000 years ago. I believe that Marciniak's Pleiadians claimed that the moon was originally crafted by a positive race of beings and then hijacked by negatives. It appears that one or more negative races currently control the moon and are using it to monitor and manipulate humanity.

But we are freer now then we have ever been in the western world. It wasn't that long ago you could be burnt at the stake for suspected of being a witch. Something many on this forum would probably be categorized as.

How have the elite cabal effected you personally at all? What have they stopped you from doing,from saying? I'am not saying we are free but we are a hell of a lot freer then a short time ago.

All I see is more positive building up.

If next year a US tank rolls through my house blowing up my neighbourhood I will stand corrected lol.

[indolering]

Well, Sagittarius, I must say we disagree on this point. It's my contention that humanity has never been more enslaved than we are today, and that a police state is rapidly being erected all around us, in every country with any influence. The Rothschild Zionist cabal has come close to controlling every important institution of civilization. Their stated aim is to reduce the population dramatically through culling, and enslave the rest.
Personally? Of course I've been affected. I was brainwashed and deprived of my creativity in schools controlled by the cabal (the Rockenfelders); I was imprisoned for exercising my constitutional right to the pursuit of happiness (possession and manufacturing drugs, which are god-given substances that no man has the right to deprive another); I've been manipulated to work for the system which enslaves me, bringing me barely enough to survive and destroys one's soul. Shall I go on? How about the non-stop slaughter of innocents around the world in the pursuit of Empire? Or the constant surveillance society we now inhabit where every piece of information about your life is stored in some supercomputer somewhere, poised to pick you out of a lineup.... I suggest you take the Alex Jones 101 course on youtube. Just kidding, dude, Alex is not one of my favorite people (talk about fear-mongering!) but he does expose the basic manipulation of humanity by globalist elitists who have nothing but genocide and exploitation in mind. This is not the kind of world I want - I must participate as much as I'm able to change things before they become irreversible.

I don't know what to say. Read 1984. Read David Icke, the best researcher out there. This 'war on terror' will not end until all 'terrorists' are detained in FEMA camps (now awaiting your arrival). This transition is not just about eradicating the evil in oneself but in the world as well.

[Patrick]

Indolering my friend, do you consider yourself a victim ?

[indolering]

Indolering my friend, do you consider yourself a victim ?

We're all victims of this global conspiracy to enslave us.
Personally, I am less of a victim than most because I have begun to detach myself from their manipulation. Those entrusted with more knowledge have a responsibility to put this knowledge to use, to further the Light.... In addition, my experience of higher, freer realms has given me added insights and benefits. All these talents and gifts are mine to use to help free this planet for humanity. The time-frame for the illuminati's reign is about over - they cannot succeed in their mission - but we must not rest until the transition is complete.
Remember 'The Blues Brothers'? We're on a mission from God. We're putting the band back together.....



Open your eyes and see
The world I couldn't change for you
Reach out your hand and take
The world that will belong to you

We were on our way to a better day
And the spirit was in us all
But as time went by we fell by the wayside
Maybe you'll be the last to fall

You are the only ones
There is nobody left but you
You are the chosen ones
There is nobody else to choose

Back when I was young, my hope was strong
But the time blew it all to hell
If I thought I knew what was good for you
I would have gone and done it for myself

Worlds of tomorrow
Life without sorrow
Take it because it's yours
Sons of 1984

I can still see the great panorama of hate
Being cleansed by our loving hands
But the brothers broke stride, the sisters cried
Now you have to start all over again

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This is a little long (1/2 hr) but pretty interesting.

[Sagittarius]

Indolering my friend, do you consider yourself a victim ?

We're all victims of this global conspiracy to enslave us.
Personally, I am less of a victim than most because I have begun to detach myself from their manipulation. Those entrusted with more knowledge have a responsibility to put this knowledge to use, to further the Light.... In addition, my experience of higher, freer realms has given me added insights and benefits. All these talents and gifts are mine to use to help free this planet for humanity. The time-frame for the illuminati's reign is about over - they cannot succeed in their mission - but we must not rest until the transition is complete.
Remember 'The Blues Brothers'? We're on a mission from God. We're putting the band back together.....



Open your eyes and see
The world I couldn't change for you
Reach out your hand and take
The world that will belong to you

We were on our way to a better day
And the spirit was in us all
But as time went by we fell by the wayside
Maybe you'll be the last to fall

You are the only ones
There is nobody left but you
You are the chosen ones
There is nobody else to choose

Back when I was young, my hope was strong
But the time blew it all to hell
If I thought I knew what was good for you
I would have gone and done it for myself

Worlds of tomorrow
Life without sorrow
Take it because it's yours
Sons of 1984

I can still see the great panorama of hate
Being cleansed by our loving hands
But the brothers broke stride, the sisters cried
Now you have to start all over again

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This is a little long (1/2 hr) but pretty interesting.

I agree we are not truly free yet but if you honestly think we have never been less free you are mistaken, most don't realize the brutality of older times. We have evolved however, sure we have been limited the whole way but that is what we signed up for, that extra challenge that makes the experience that much more valuable. This is the reason for multitude of wanderers from all over creation jumping onto the roller coaster. Love or hate the lucifer complex and the sts entities but they do have a knack for intensity. We are here to be tested. Are you not tested to breaking point?

To fight this we use righteous anger, not hateful and fearful anger. We are angry because we have awoken and we don't like what we see. With each passing day we experience and learn more and more about ourselves and this cage we are in. The fire inside is the anger, use it to free minds and change your reality, change your reality and the world will change. It just takes patience and perseverance, use the anger to fuel you, know the anger is righteous, you know who you are and what you want and you will 'WILL' the change. You can't save the world in a day, be a hero in the now and stop worrying about the past and the future.

We are almost there don't lose hope and dip back into fear now.

[indolering]

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Good post, Sagittarius.
I agree with most of what you say, and perhaps we're not so different after all...

I love Charlie's rants. He's always got something important to say.

[Sagittarius]

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Good post, Sagittarius.
I agree with most of what you say, and perhaps we're not so different after all...

I love Charlie's rants. He's always got something important to say.

Indeed, I think I may have come of as if I think we should do nothing. No we need to act but we need to do it with the right intention, that is what we have been building for these years we have been awake on the journey consciously, we are chipping away at the ego until we have shaped what we desire.

This energy incoming the cosmic fire that will turn our thoughts into reality and we have been preparing for it our whole lives. We are here to shake things up and soon we will. I have already noticed the change in attitude of people around me, more are becoming discontent with the system and realizing material wealth is not important. Just today in-fact while buying something at a store the shop owner had a big rant to me about the government and how they don't understand real people.

I just know I can feel the fire and it's starting to burn.

[Patrick]

Indolering my friend, do you consider yourself a victim ?

We're all victims of this global conspiracy to enslave us.
Personally, I am less of a victim than most because I have begun to detach myself from their manipulation...

Thank you for your reply. This explains the difference in viewpoints, because I simply do not believe in the concept of being a victim.

My friend, I wish you the best of success in your endeavors whatever they may be.

[AnthroHeart]

Patrick, is your view on no one being a victim because we all choose before incarnation our own lessons, and what actors we will play on the stage of life? So to say we are playing our roles as actors might be more accurate? Except we don't remember our lines.

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This energy incoming the cosmic fire that will turn our thoughts into reality and we have been preparing for it our whole lives. We are here to shake things up and soon we will. I have already noticed the change in attitude of people around me, more are becoming discontent with the system and realizing material wealth is not important. Just today in-fact while buying something at a store the shop owner had a big rant to me about the government and how they don't understand real people.

I just know I can feel the fire and it's starting to burn.

I'm starting to realize this more. When I focus on boredom, I get more bored. I assume you are talking literally about thoughts turning into reality are you not? I believe that to an extent.

I don't like to say this because thoughts do become reality, but it seems like there are some limitations on what 3D can do. I know I should be thinking that all is possible, but when I don't see the fantasy realms that I envision come to fruition, it makes me doubt the process. But these are subtle doubts. I still live by faith that one day, when 4D light is strong enough, we will see our dreams manifest. Even those we consider impossible by today's standards. And my dreams do seem impossible, because the beings I wish to see do not really exist that I know of. And all of the artworks I have seen of fantasy realms. When will they come to fruition.

[Oceania]

*hugs*

i feel the same Gemini. i live by that faith too. don't let anyone tell you it's not possible.

[Aureus]

I too have noticed the light growing brighter. There is unease. With higher energy comes greater movement. People are lifting their heads out of the illusion, studying their 3rd density existance. They are looking far and wide for what is wrong. Eventually the universe will take them into the heart. From there it all starts.

All of us wandering here, we know the path of the heart. We have lived it. (I just got a small noise in my right ear ^^) Only when their hearts begin to open will they play with us.

We need to remember that to the majority, the world is a small place, and an intense one at that. And all the time they struggle to match their vibration to that illusory concept of a 'good life' that society teaches.

I am lucky to know that my soul is immortal, that all is well, all is identity and that we are all one.

[AnthroHeart]

I feel lucky to know that all is illusion, that I am Creator experiencing itself.
That I am loved unconditionally, and can love unconditionally.
Now, how to act on this info, that's another story.
Since I got my meds balanced, I feel much more stable now.
I can more easily feel love, without the endless anxiety.

[Aureus]

Posted 11:11, Gemini Wolf (at least for me it was)

I am happy for you!

[Oceania]

that's good Gemini.

[Patrick]

Patrick, is your view on no one being a victim because we all choose before incarnation our own lessons, and what actors we will play on the stage of life? So to say we are playing our roles as actors might be more accurate? Except we don't remember our lines.

There is this yes, but also we are all responsible for the current state of things, we are all co-creators of it. It helped our growth. Now I think we are ready to forgive all and go forward without such drastic catalysts.

[indolering]

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Meanwhile, back on the moon...

(from Amazon.com)
This review is from: Somebody Else Is on the Moon (Hardcover)

Waited a while for it as they would not deliver to the UK, though once received, I was unable to put it down. It is a shame that Nasa cannot stop lying about the moon and everything else it has found through your tax dollars! George Leonard used basic pencil and paper to describe what he sees in the un-air brushed pictures which Nasa released. He also talks candidly with some of their scientists, who openly state, there are structures on the moon and they are not ours. It is sometimes difficult to make some of the structures out, though you can easily find the originals on line. And a host more! Remember this book is over 35 years old. It is so much more believable than the dross you are told about the moon. Read it and make your own mind up. Check out "Moon Rising" (You Tube) and John Lear. It all ties up. I would thoroughly recommend it. It should be re-released.

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Secrets Of Our Spaceship Moon
By Don Wilson

This review is from: Secrets of Our Spaceship Moon (Mass Market Paperback)

Unfortunately this book is old. However, old doesn't mean useless. It lays a groundwork of structural and gravitational data, quoting from published articles in lunar science journals as well as privately-obtained comments from various astronomers and scientists. Though one would expect that much more high-resolution imagery should be available by now, we should not forget that continuous-tone film is capable of very good resolution. The book includes a photo showing cast shadows suggesting the existence of towers not revealed by the overhead view.

The seismic data alone is startling, especially the description of how the moon rang like a bell for four hours after being struck by a spent rocket. And then there's another clanking sort of seismic anomaly that occurs every month like clockwork and also defies explanation, Wilson writes.

What was most intriguing to me was to learn that there were surviving hints from ancient Greek texts that the moon was hollow. Some classical authors even wrote that it was inhabited by "divine beings". These sources were known to, and believed by, early-modern astronomers such as Kepler and Galileo. His telescope observations were the first to confirm those ancient sources as saying there were mountains on the moon. And since Galileo's time, over a couple of centuries observers recorded and wrote about lights and moving objects on the moon that they'd seen in telescopes. So it's not as if the moon being inhabited or at least visited is a new idea.

There is more about the moon that is unexplained (or withheld intentionally) than is explained by standard astronomy. Wilson says he started out expecting to gather some wacky ideas for an SF novel, but ended up becoming convinced that the Russian theory of an artificially-hollowed out moon with a metallic shell is plausible because it best explains all the observations that otherwise don't fit the idea of a naturally-formed satellite.

If he is right, would people still go into a big panic (the usual justification for non-disclosure) to learn that there are already bases and intelligent beings on or inside our oversized satellite? I doubt it. Science fiction has been playing with this theme and variations on what sort of beings might be going back and forth to that nightlight-aka-mothership-in-the-sky for decades.

More likely, I think more people would be disappointed than not to have independently-obtained confirmation that nobody is on the moon.

I hope we find out someday.

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Who Built The Moon
By Christopher Knight and Alan Butler

(from Amazon.com)

Coincidence that the moon's diameter is exactly 400 times smaller than that of the Sun? Coincidence that the one second arc of the Moon's rotation is exactly 100 Megalithic Yards? Coincidence that the Moon exactly blocks the Sun's disk during a solar eclipse so that the Sun's corona can be studied? Without which much of Einstein's work would not have been confirmed. By the way the Moon is also 1/400 of the distance from the Sun which Isaac Asimov described as being 'the most unlikey of coincidences'. That the Moon is almost exactly 1/4 the size in diameter of the earth (which makes it the largest moon for a planet this size) and without its precise posisition at present, life as we know it would not have happened? Too many coincidences to accept as pure chance for me. And the fact that so many of the relationships can be expressed in whole rounded integers (within 99 % accuracy)in the metric system which we have blindly accepted as of modern origin which it apparently is not. All in all, an exciting and easy read even for this non mathmatician. The authors conclude that the moon is not a coincidence of blind nature and offer several (3) answers, which they wisely do not force upon us. The most important thing is that they do force us to think a bit more about what we have accepted blindly for centuries just because it seemed to fit the science of the times. Just as the 'flat earth' did before it.
Perhaps our scientific community should be willing to look a little closer to home for some of their answers as to the origin of our planet and solar system and in particular to the source of our miraculous Moon.
Both thumbs way up on this one. Maybe more is coming?

[Oceania]

have you seen Moon with Sam Rockwell?

[indolering]

have you seen Moon with Sam Rockwell?

No, I haven't. But after reading the synopsis on wikipedia, I'd like to. It sounds good. Did you know David Bowie's son, Duncan, directed it? How cool is that...? The Man Who Fell To Earth....

Sam Rockwell and Duncan Jones

[Oceania]

cool. yeah it's good