11-01-2012, 12:23 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-01-2012, 01:10 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
(10-30-2012, 01:11 AM)Pickle Wrote: How do you suppose it is possible that the percentage of positively polarized individuals on this planet was measured 30 years ago, and came from the mouth of a 3D entity?
By whom? Dawkins?
Quote:Is that really his goal? Maybe his goal is to shine a light on a dark system of control. Strange how bringing attention to something dark can get people to take sides, and just what sides they end up choosing. I have seen a lot of folks do things that did not make sense from the perspective of the action itself, yet made sense if you look at the bigger picture.
That's interesting... personally when I think of the "bigger picture" the notion of "taking sides" seems rather irrelevant. Comical even.
Quote:How many need to "shoot their foot off" to get the attention of society?
I would ask... how many need to "shoot their foot off" in order to realize that shooting feet doesn't really accomplish all that much? This is the problem with zealous ideology... when it doesn't create the intended result, people tend to dig their heels in deeper and become more extreme in their methods, rather than questioning the ideology behind it.
Marxism would be a great example of this. No matter how many times the experiment failed, its proponents just kept pushing harder and harder... even to the point of murdering people and committing genocide in order to support their unshakeable faith in their ideology. The Nazis did the same thing. The Christians did the same thing during the time of the Crusades. The Muslims did the same thing, and still do it now.
So the most pertinent question to me is... how many people need to die at the hands of extremists in order for humanity to learn that extremism and zealotry isn't an effective way to bring "peace and prosperity" to human beings?
(10-30-2012, 08:21 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I see your point, but the difference is that, generally speaking, people who watch Dan the Man have already decided to think for themselves, and understand that Dan is just sharing his own experiences.
I hope you're right about that!
Quote:They aren't as likely to put blind faith into Dan like people do MDs.
I dunno. I'm inclined to say that people who are prone to "blind faith" are just as likely to place it in an MD as they are Dan the Man.
But I see your point. Taken as a whole, people who are into alternative medicine are probably more likely to be free thinkers- since one would assume they had to get themselves out of that box to begin with.
Quote:Each one might have a piece of the puzzle but I have yet to meet one that has all the pieces.
Exactly. Now if more practitioners- of all inclinations- were to adopt this attitude I think we would see some dramatically positive changes in very short order.
It's the authoritarianism that is the problem. And it's just as detrimental when it comes from the alternative camp as the mainstream camp.
That's why I am of the opinion that it is better to shy away from sweeping generalizations and strong statements of "A causes B" or "X cures Y." We don't always know what we don't already know, and often times what we think we know is totally inaccurate.
So getting back to the context of Max Gerson and his therapy, it is the authoritarian attitude that is so typical of his generation that I take issue with more than the therapy itself.
It is presented as, you MUST do A, B, and C, EXACTLY as we instruct you. If you do, then your cancer will most definitely be cured. Instead of saying "I know the way! Follow me!" it would have been better to present it as: "Here try this and see what happens."
I think a great many alternative practitioners scam people by concocting elaborate rituals and specific protocols which they claim must be followed EXACTLY in order for it to work. It gives them a convenient "out" for when their patients don't get results that were promised.