11-05-2012, 06:49 AM
(11-04-2012, 07:21 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(11-04-2012, 07:03 PM)spero Wrote: nice chart Tenet NosceI don't take the chart as suggesting green ray tapping, but as suggesting densities, subdensities and sub-subdensities. These are completely different concepts, but related as the experience for learning the "lessons of love" become less and less distorted as one progresses through the subdensities. The more distilled experience and awareness, the more polarization, and so the more likely that one is working with green-ray.
(11-04-2012, 06:16 PM)zenmaster Wrote: If that were indeed the case, it'd mean "we" were not harvestable basically.
being in 3D and tapping into green ray is kinda the default requirement for harvestability of STO's at the end of a cycle. leaving during a cycle is a different story and likely requires higher energy centre defaults, but the chart doesn't suggest unharvestability, at least not at this junction in time.
(11-04-2012, 07:03 PM)spero Wrote:Yes, this is true. But adepts were doing this long before there were working 4D vibrations of mind here. Also this adept work was a function of remembering, and not of accessing the local mind.(11-04-2012, 06:43 PM)zenmaster Wrote: One question is can 3D-mind access in any manner, the local work being done in the 1st or later subdensities of 4D before 3D is gone?
the work of the adept which goes beyond harvestability of green ray and works on blue, indigo (intelligent infinity) and violet (intelligent energy) has the purpose of transmuting planetary harvestability and consciousness....so im gonna say yes
(11-04-2012, 07:03 PM)spero Wrote:woah, woah.. These are different concepts. Carla says it'd take a million years of 4D existence to form a social memory complex. Further, abilities are learned over time, even in 4D.(11-04-2012, 06:53 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Another question: 4D lacks a "veil". Therefore all is remembered. If that is the case, is it possible for later-evolved 4D entities from other civilizations (millions of years in 4D) to incarnate and/or arrive here and still not infringe on free will? At what point would this be possible? My guess is as soon as the transition is complete, which would be many generations from now. I am assuming that the later-4D entities coming here would be aware of any possible infringement.
if STO 4D then they'd be all about open telepathic communication, social memory complex's and going forth and being active in the galactic community in service.
(11-04-2012, 07:03 PM)spero Wrote: they know each others minds and they're experience however advanced would be shared in much the same way 4d entities would benefit from 5d and 6d teachers. if they were STS 4D then they'd be all about the infringing and lording their experience over less evolved entities.The context of my question was mainly to do with incarnated older-4D souls here. What is the development of 4D civilizations entail across the 4D subdensities. The teacher doesn't teach if the student isn't ready.
i must have misinterpreted what you were trying to say about the chart reflecting non harvestability. i gather by looking at the chart that it refers to densities and their sub densities. do you think a 3D entity needs to move through all the subdensities of 3D before they actually work on true green ray and harvest to 4D? my initial view was that the subdensities were analogous to the chakras of a 3D entity but i see now that is one interpretation and not necessarily correct.
if an adept transmutes planetary consciousness, perhaps they are interacting directly with the racial or planetary mind and making changes there. doesnt necessarily entail 4D work but maybe it has some bleed through effect on 4D consciousness
lol i didnt notice the little negative sign next to your 4D. my bad.