Poll about cancer "cure"

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I've never met an ND or acupuncturist who would ever attempt to treat the victim of a car accident. But, MDs (who excel at treating accident victims) routinely try to 'treat' those with degenerative diseases, utilizing methods better suited to treating acute trauma.

Got it!

Short-term statistics show that chemo has a certain 'cure' rate. But long-term statistics show that those who refuse the chemo, and do nothing at all, outlive those who got chemo!

I didn't know there were actual statistics on that... do you know the source for that?

What I'm referring to when I say "I've never seen any" is people who got started a little earlier than that, and followed the protocol. I've never seen a single person, who followed the protocol, not get some sort of dramatic healing results.

So you are saying, in every case excepting those last minute deals, the cancer disappeared? What kind/stage of cancer are we talking about? And how many cases?

However, I can honestly say that, in 100% of the cases I have observed, provided they followed the protocol, they got some sort of dramatic, noticeable, tangible improvement in their health. I have not yet met a single person who didn't.

What percentage of the cases you have observed actually follow the protocol?

I don't know of anything else that can boast such a claim.

That's a pretty remarkable claim!

And I see this happen a lot. People continue to surprise me with the things they report, as improving with this water...things they totally didn't expect.

What about people who generally feel fine? Do they report improvements as well?

It all goes back to the function of water, which is to remove acidic waste and metabolic waste. This water just does a better job of it! It does a better job of doing what water is supposed to do! So all organs and systems improve. It's simple chemistry.

But pH and ORP aren't that simple to understand! Also- since the water is ionized wouldn't it make a difference how hard the tap water is going into the ionizer?

Why would you need to? Why couldn't you still keep them in the house?

I guess it's possible, but the houses tend to have more of an open format. It just seems like it would feel even worse not to let them out and explore. They were pretty much confined to the house this whole summer because in the previous one they got fleas, and also our lady kitty got herself... umm... "roughed up" out late one night.

Do you think it'll ever happen? Or will we just all go our separate ways when the sorting begins? Maybe those who still want the old system can have it, on that other 3D planet.

I guess we'll see! I've still got my fingers crossed for some type of super-sweet mass-consciousness-raising event to happen in the next five weeks. But I'm not holding my breath...

(which originally came from the quackwatch folks...what does that tell you?)

Heh. One time I actually wrote the quackwatch dude... basically saying the same thing we have been talking about here. I said... hey dude I get it that there are a lot of quacks in the alternative medical field... but um... what about the quacks and charlatans in your own field? Shouldn't you start there?

So maybe a 100% raw vegan who has a natural spring in his back yard doesn't need ionized water...but it's reprehensible to turn people away from something that could help them, given where they're at.

Do you think it is possible to live a long, healthy life without ionized water? Also, I wonder... if the body itself sort of functions as an ionizer when everything is working properly. Have you ever tested the ORP of urine?

These gurus have the attitude of "do it exactly like I do" without taking into consideration that not everyone is where they are at. And the fans happily follow them without questioning...

Yes, and when the promised result doesn't happen, it is almost invariably because they didn't follow the protocol exactly enough. I mean- I get why we have protocols but so many of them are just silly and near impossible for anybody to follow exactly.

but a couple of years ago I offered to give water to a local ND...I was astounded at his lack of knowledge!

Um... yes well I will just say that I had quite a few classmates I wouldn't send my worst enemy to! (If I actually had a "worst enemy".) One time I recall we took nearly three full class periods to discuss how to calculate blood pressure because of a small cadre of individuals that "weren't good at math." Hint: You multiply three numbers together.

I haven't tried to do that. I took biology instead of chemistry in school, so I am at a disadvantage. Case in point: Like how you pointed out some errors in those books I sent you, which I never would have known about.

Oh but you're a smart gal, I'm sure you could understand at least a tenth grade chemistry text. Then you will sound super snappy in your presentations!

It's just the stickler for chemistry detail like you that I have a hard time with!

But that's ok...you keep me on my toes!

I just came across this article... I didn't make it all the way through without my brain hurting the first time, but it looks rather thorough!

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/highorp.html

Here's some wind up your skirt. You sure did fill in the missing piece for me on protein! My mind is still blown on that one! Thanks again! I will be forever grateful! (Nice to have a genius friend around, ain't it?)

Uh-oh I feel my ego growing so huge it is about to explode! But seriously, it was a great exercise for me to get better at explaining. And also- you trusted me enough to at least consider what I was trying to say.

Now if only you would come on board with the water... Just think of the possibilities! You could help me get educated in those areas of chemistry that I am deficient in...we would make a dynamite team!

(I'm only half joking! )

LOL... I know I'm a hard nut to crack. But it's only because I had to sort through so much nonsense floating around the naturopathic community during my educational process. (Remember Johnny, the fruitarian? )

I'm more sold on the benefits of low ORP than high pH when it comes to water. But even then, you would still have to convince me why one brand of ionized water is better than another, pH and ORP otherwise being the same.

I'm just a tough sell, in general. I've often wondered why market research companies don't pay good money to study what motivates people like me to buy. Probably, they get a better ROI learning how to herd the sheeple.

I saw that, but declined to participate because you and Pickle were talking over my head!

Oh, you are more than capable of understanding what I am talking about. And besides, being an ionized water buff AND a student of the Ra Material, it would give you a double benefit!

I know that I was really confused about some things regarding polarization of consciousness until I went back and reviewed the difference between ionic and magnetic polarization.

What! Those 'before and after' colonoscopies by the inventor of the colonoscopic snare procedure just didn't do it for you?

Nope- gut bacteria! Although, it might be possible that the majority of the water is absorbed before it gets very far into the digestive tract...

When illusion spin her net
I'm never where I want to be
And liberty she pirouette
When I think that I am free
Watched by empty silhouettes
Who close their eyes but still can see
No one taught them etiquette
I will show another me [/i]

You can keep your things, they've come to take me home.