Humanity should respect animals.

[Tenet Nosce]

I am not sure whether you are stating that this is the Ra teaching and you do not agree with it, or that you do agree with it, because in your 'nutshell summation' you stated that we are not identical to The Source.

I am uncertain as to whether you are just restating the conversation as you interpret it, or whether you are stating what you conclude.

My take on the material is that Ra considers the spiraling up the densities as a progressively less distorted expression of the Logos by sub-logoi. They appear to believe that, upon graduation from 7th density, and attaining the next "octave", a sub-logos becomes a full-fledged Logos in its own right, having become invested with full creative ability. But they also suggest that there is no end to the chain of octaves- which stretch out to infinity in either direction.

Questioner: I may be backtracking a little today because I think that possibly we are at the most important part of what we are doing in trying to make it apparent how everything is one, how it comes from one intelligent infinity. This is difficult, so please bear with my errors in questioning.

The concept that I have right now of the process, using both what you have told me and some of Dewey Larson’s material having to do with the physics of the process, is that intelligent infinity expands outward from all locations everywhere. It expands outward uniformly like the surface of a bubble or a balloon expanding outward from every point everywhere. It expands outward at what is called unit velocity or the velocity of light. This is Larson’s idea of the progression of what he calls space/time. Is this concept correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This concept is incorrect as is any concept of the one intelligent infinity. This concept is correct in the context of one particular Logos, or Love, or focus of this Creator which has chosen Its, shall we say, natural laws and ways of expressing them mathematically and otherwise.

The one undifferentiated intelligent infinity, unpolarized, full and whole, is the macrocosm of the mystery-clad being. We are messengers of the Law of One. Unity, at this approximation of understanding, cannot be specified by any physics but only be activated or potentiated intelligent infinity due to the catalyst of free will. This may be difficult to accept. However, the understandings we have to share begin and end in mystery.

Questioner: Are you saying then that there are an infinite number of octaves of densities one through eight?

Ra: I am Ra. We wish to establish that we are truly humble messengers of the Law of One. We can speak to you of our experiences and our understandings and teach/learn in limited ways. However, we cannot speak in firm knowledge of all the creations. We know only that they are infinite. We assume an infinite number of octaves.

However, it has been impressed upon us by our own teachers that there is a mystery-clad unity of creation in which all consciousness periodically coalesces and again begins. Thus we can only say we assume an infinite progression though we understand it to be cyclical in nature and, as we have said, clad in mystery.

Wouldn't it be great to actually be able to sit together in a place where we could have a discussion like this face to face over a brew, so the confusions are avoided?

I wish there were more discussions like these going on in brewhouses across the globe...

Do we suppose that any of our thoughts are on some ageless quest to return to us and become Shin'Ar or Tenet Nosce? Are these discussion we are having going to one day become the ones who are offering them into discussion?

I don't know. But is there any sound reason to believe that isn't the case? My read is that we are able to make thought-form entities, but they are not endowed with the spark of the Creator. Therefore, technically we cannot call this creation, for the thought-form entities are not invested with free will.

But is this ability attainable for us, Tenet Nosce and Shin'Ar? I believe the Ra Material says yes, upon graduation from 7D. On the other hand, the notion of we as "Tenet Nosce" and "Shin'Ar" would be rather humorous, at best.

Actually, now that I think about it, you and I making the online "identities" of "Tenet Nosce" and "Shin'Ar" is a microcosm if the creative process itself.

As continuing thoughts of The One Consciousness we do not become entities like It, lower than It, or on the way to becoming It. It is the One Entity. Its thoughts are a process of It being. And we are that Process of being; not some entity rising into omnipotence.

Ra suggests:

The indigo ray is opened only through considerable discipline and practice largely having to do with acceptance of self, not only as the polarized and balanced self but as the Creator, as an entity of infinite worth.

I'm totally willing to discuss the possibility that they had the wrong idea. But there is no denying that this is, in fact, the idea.

When one considers the Flower of Life, or Sacred Geometry if you associate better with that, it is this Fibonacci sequence found in the Platonic Solids that best illustrates what I am trying to profess here.

So you are saying the Creator is akin to the Fibonnacci formula, and we are the spirals emanated from its application...?

Or perhaps, the Creator is as Φ and through our experience we progressively attain closer approximations thereof as determined by the Golden Ratio. So in theory, we can become infinitely close to Φ, but never actually make the leap to Φ itself...?

So what do you suppose the opposite polarity, and unnatural defiance of Design would be?

Exactly! Assuming to become The Source.

Yes. But at the same time the actual substance of the clone, or the seeming "Other" it experiences... is the Creator itself. Since there is only One, there is nothing else for it to create from. The Source must fashion the Other from its own Being, as there is nothing outside of the Source to create from. I acknowledge this is infinitely paradoxical and mysterious, and words will never do it justice.

But in the strictest sense of philosophical taxonomy, a dualist would say that mind and matter are two completely separate phenomena. While a monist would say that- by some mysterious process- mind actually becomes matter. That's what I was trying to get at.

Know thy self!

It is NOT what you think it is.

What do you think that I think it is?

Namaste to you, my friend.

Cheers!