11-25-2012, 06:01 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-25-2012, 06:20 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
(11-25-2012, 05:31 PM)hogey11 Wrote: I disagree on the fear and apprehension part. More than ever before do we have a beat on who the 'bad guys' are and what they are trying to do.
But hogey- the fact that we still view these people as the "bad guys", as something "other" than self, rather than what they actually are- a mirror of our own repressed desires means that we DON'T at all have a beat on who they are.
Honestly, it really confounds me how many people who consider themselves "lightworkers" still fall prey to this "us vs. them" mentality.

They are us, and they have been giving us exactly what we have asked for. That is the reality so few seem willing to accept.
Quote:How does his story support your argument that these people are so distracted? Why do monks starve themselves to gain higher levels of contemplation and meditation? I feel we are all speaking of things we do not really know; I am the first to admit that. Maybe you are right, but I also think there is a chance that these people are far better off spiritually than you realize, and it is BECAUSE of their wants that they are that way. When everyone isn't eating, focusing purely on self doesn't make you many friends.
I don't think you are getting my point at all. I'm not sure how else to say it. Yes- we all need to attend to our own survival needs. But there are a great many people- wherever they might be found- who do not have much time to contemplate anything beyond their own survival.
My point is that the fact that humanity has collectively agreed that it is acceptable for ANYBODY to live in a state where they do not know where there next meal is coming from, or where ANY children are sold into sex slavery or otherwise raped and molested, would be a sign to me that humanity is not ready for contact.
If we were sitting in a galactic council, that would be my opinion, and I would cast a vote against contact. If you were also in that council, you might have a different opinion and cast a different vote.
But if the vote requires unanimity it doesn't matter how many "yes" votes there are. Only one "no" is required.
In any case, the fact that open contact has not yet happened is evidence that consensus has not been reached. It is up to you to decide whether or not you "accept" this reality.
Quote:Unless all this negativity is coming from a very small, concentrated group of people (STS harvestables/hopefuls maybe?) It could be that the vast majority of the population has no appetite for war and domination. It's just that those who do have been able to rise to the top.
But it's not a small concentrated group of people.
http://www.ct.gov/dcf/cwp/view.asp?a=4127&Q=492900
Quote:Today, more than twelve million people worldwide are enslaved.[1] An estimated two million children are bought and sold in the global commercial sex trade.[2] The sex slavery industry has become an increasingly important revenue source for organized crime because each young girl can earn hundreds of thousands of dollars each year for her pimp.
While this is a problem in many countries, many Americans don’t realize that it happens here at home as well. Thousands of children are forced into domestic sex slavery each year and that the average age of entry is 13 years old.[3] The majority of American victims of commercial sexual exploitation tend to be runaway youth who live on the street, often who have left homes where they were abused or abandoned. Pimps prey on their vulnerability. These girls are our neighbors, our friends, our sisters and our daughters.
That is our reality, whether you choose to accept it or not. It is not the result of a very small group of people. A small group of people does not require millions of child sex slaves to satiate their desires. Millions of child sex slaves means that many more millions are using them as such.
That you would suggest these runaway abused youth on the streets being sold into sex slavery have ample opportunity to contemplate their own spirituality is borderline offensive. But I will just chalk it up to youthful exuberance.

Quote:I believe we are influenced and affected by the STS choice in a dramatic fashion.
You give "STS" too much power. A suggestion to rape a little boy or girl is only accepted if there was a desire for rape to begin with.
(11-25-2012, 05:43 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Again, as a younger person, I don't see how people would be so fearful.
As a younger person, and particularly as one here in this discussion, you naturally would be more amenable to the idea. I suspect if you spent some time in a small town in the Bible Belt, you might gain a different view of where people's minds are at.
By the time your generation hits their prime, and my generation is hitting retirement age, I think the mass consciousness would be much more amenable to open contact. But for now- we are not in the majority. For example, I don't think you are accounting for the vast numbers of Americans who would consider any sort of open contact to be "of the devil."