Satanists holding an open dark mass on 08.12.12 relatively near.

[Cyan]

Oh you mean this emotional tantrum having guy:

I'm not interested in a bible quote duel! We both know that the bible has lots of misquotes. Who knows what he really said? My point was that he DID say a lot of love/peace/forgiveness stuff too.

Exactly, which is why I Say the bible isnt good for anything besides and endless combat about pointless quotes. Much like most religions are. I personally see no difference in terms of that quote and LaVeys quote about feeding human meat to his lions. Both are historically attributed to the person without any real way of knowing if its true or not. To me, Jesus may or may not be a good guy, i dont really know, same as lucifer may or may not be a good guy, i dont know. For the same reason as i would be and am hesitant to join this mass, i would be equally, perhaps more so on account of heavier proof, be hesitant to join in on a christian ceremony. Both being to, what i perceive to be, an equally bloody entity.

Let me point out what i mean:

These are quotes from LaVey, The founder of modern satanism, so skip them if you are from the get go oriented towards not resonating with them on the grounds that the guy has a spooky beard, because Carla used the pentagram just as much, possibly quite a bit more.

“It has been said, 'the truth will make men free.' The truth alone has never made anyone free. It is only doubt which will bring mental emancipation.”
― Anton LaVey

And

Ra:

16.39 Questioner: I am assuming that it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

Is not knowing and doubt the core of the "Not Understanding"?

On a more behavioral note:

“When one sleeps on the floor one need not worry about falling out of bed.”
― Anton LaVey

Short, smart and applicable, helps people with fears of falling from beds more than praying will.

“Those who spell Magic with a K aren't.”
― Anton LaVey

Lol, fits here nicely.

“Don't let that little pyramid with the bright eye fool you. That's to draw your attention away from the real thing: the big trapezoid beneath it.”
― Anton LaVey

“Unfortunately for a multitude of occultists, humor is a rare ingredient in their lives. In fact it is their very lack of humor that has impelled them into the arcane and esoteric.”
― Anton LaVey

Anyway, moving on. Quote for Quote is a pointless competition. My point here is that it is difficult, if not downright impossible to judge a "book by its cover"

Way to judge without being to one. =)
I heard a lot of very interesting and threathing things about channelers and spirit contacts before i came here. Should i have believed someone elses opinion and not check for myself?

shrug

Meh.

Depending on how you define a black magic ritual, i'm sure you've been to one,

I just told you I never have.

Christian sermon is a classical case of black magic ritual worship.

Lets see.

"spiritually human/divine"(transubstantiation) Blood drinking.
"spiritually human/divine"(transubstantiation) Meat eating.
Enforcing belief in evil. (Original sin)
Enforcing structures role in liberating you from evil.
Gathering of people into one place under one leader (priest).
Enforcing a belief of those saved and those damned by proximity of presence to a paper book + dude in a white robe.

Etc etc etc.

Christian sermons in most churches fall neatly into the black magic personal gain category. The fact that its the largest black magic organization and the most successful in lying to people about its black magic nature makes it no less black magic. But its you say Tomato i say Tomato and what not.

but it depends rather widely on how you define magic and ritual.

Very simple: White magick is for healing; black magick is for harming. White magick isn't done without permission; black magick has no regard for the free will of others. And gray magick has good intentions but without permission so it can inadvertently harm.

Ahh, then you ascribe to a view of black/white magic that i used, very very long ago ascribe to, but since changed it because it is unberably non functional. I now use:

Black magic is magic used for selfish purposes.
White magic is magic used for non selfish purpose.
Since it is impossible to separate into "all white" and "all black" all magic is by definition gray magic. The best you can do is infinitely approach white magic and infinitely approach black magic.

That is to say, one can never be "sts" or "sto" only "sts to extreme" or "sto to extreme" etc.

Trying to save someone from a sin that is not real is black magic
Trying to entertain someone to not go dull with boredom over a society that is brainwashed is white magic

Crusaders a classical example of black magic.
While comedians are a classical case of white magic.

Both Christ and LaVey are "must shape this world into MY image to save the world from the stuff I project into it" classical high level black magicians in their actions.

While say, Will Smith and Carla are both high level white magicians (Will smith being an actor that just does stuff "cus its funny and earns me money") and (Carla channeling an entity that has, as its core message, "You cant know for sure if you want to get above where you are now")

Your definition of magic used to harm and magic used to heal makes no sense because it rests on the starting assumption that there is one health and one harm. That is, one pole that is "health for all regardless of what they want" and one pole that is "harm for all regardless of what they want" and it only works if all are equally the same. But if someone wants to harm themselves and you force health on them then you are harming them.

Thats why the definition of black white and gray you use, while somewhat commonly used.

In your view, me sitting here and praying for world peace would be seen by those ascribing to a world that they do not want peace in (say, two people wanting to go boxing) as black magic and interference.

The Maude Flanders style.

Yup, like i said, you choose to go to a building where you need to unfocus on what is going on to allow you to accept the religion,

No, actually I don't choose to do that at all. Did you miss the part about me not being a church-goer?

I choose to no longer go to any church, because it's too much hassle tuning out the preaching, and there are other ways to feel uplifted.

I said I have and I could, if the situation warranted it, like for example to a wedding. I could enjoy the singing and appreciate the good that is there, and make the best of my time there, for the sake of family and friends. I would add my love and blessings to the newlyweds along with all the churchgoers. Genuine prayers of love know no boundaries; if the vibe is positive I wouldn't care what religion it was, just for that short while, while we were praying together for something positive.
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Talking in past term. Dont worry, i've chosen to go to church too in the past, as far as joining the youth organizations and having a priest as my godfather, who later turned into my godmother, but thats a whole different story about a lamb in a rams clothing...



Anyway, to a more serious stance on this matter.

The core of my point is that you cant know genuine prayer of love from a genuine prayer of hate masquerading as a genuine prayer of love on this side of the veil. You have to discern and pick resonances after carefully analyzing and pondering about what would be the proper path for you, personally.

After you've resonanted with what you thought you should, one day, you die and look back on the emotions and what was offered and distill the lessons and restart your life, at least thats the way i've chosen to interpret it.

Last I stepped into a church, i wasnt hit on the head by a lightning bolt, but i would just as rather not take my chances with that entity. You may think you have the power to sidestep 2000 years of bloodshed because your love and prayer are stronger than hundreds of millions of dead people in the name of the religion, but to me, it is the same argument that neo-nazis give, it goes essentially like this.

"Sure a few people died to make this ideology what it is today, but look at how good it is at bringing people together, singing songs and having just, you know, a good time. Whats wrong with that?"

been to any scary amusement park rides lately. Or played a scary game, or watched a scary movie?

No, not in many years. I don't do that stuff anymore. I'll pass on the Constantine movie.

Ahh, that explains your fear of fear as being something that should be afraid of and avoided. I see fear as a energy that is used to motivate or move a person that is stuck in a molass.

I think the conversation with god guy said it the best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA4HwFHiYyA

"Feeling Energized And Ready"

i call t hat tuning out of the fact that you are being used to fill a bench. Or to fill a coffer, or both.

I know what you mean about focusing on the music and the singing and the nice stuff, its all very nice and good, but you could have a music player with you that has a few CDs of church music

It's not about the music. I don't like church music. It's about the energy behind the music. A church full of people singing worship songs can generate a very positive vibe.

Yes, a large arena full of people directing energy into praising a god is a powerful instrument.

You cant take that process away from the God that they are praising, and if you can convince me that Yahweh of the bible fame is a good guy, then i'll agree with you that it is a positive vibe in church.

But unless you give a darn good reason for the bloodthirsty killing of hundreds of millions of people, i'll probably not label the energy positive to the worshippers or the people outside anymore than i would label the smell of a barbeque to be positive for the animals being cooked even if people can go "wow, that smell is generating such a positive vibe in me".

I'm not trying to be mean but i do hope you see my point about this?

that you brought and use the time to go gather food or clothes from the local neighbourhood for the poor. But i must admit, a warm church with people to pat on the back is usually preferable to the cold street. But tuning out is a perfectly good way to face religious dissodance.

You apparently have me confused with someone else. I offered my opinion in response to your request, so I'm going to exit this discussion now. Best wishes on whatever you decide!

In what part of my discussion with you did I indicate I was confused and not talking with you about this? And at what part did you assume its a good idea to use Ad hominem on someone you've talked with before.

You're just having your period little lady, it will pass

See thats not very nice is it. Ad hominems

Dont talk like to me like I'm an idiot confusing you with someone else, please, thats very rude.

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Its that "is going to this ceremony a worse thing that staying at home and arguing on the internet"

I say go do it and have someone take pictures.

Let us know how it all turns out. Post pics. Otherwise you will go through life saying to yourself "what if?"

I may document it, but I'll not participate in it. It was an interesting opportunity but one i'll semi-gladly waste doing something else that i would ask "what if" to myself, such as taking a walk outside

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@Cyan

So though an entire lifetime, the worst you can come up with is a hissy fit in a temple? Sounds pretty mild to me. Did he ever punch anybody out?

Neither did Hitler but he ended up killing quite a few.

Here's the funny thing: You say you don't want to support 'Yahweh' when that's exactly what you would be doing by participating in the black mass. There is a reason Jesus came as a wanderer from the highest vibration of the 4D spectrum in the religion and position he did; the teachings of the old testament jews was completely corrupted by Orion entities. Ra speaks of this very, very clearly.

Exactly, which is why I chose not to participate, the possibility i would have of corrupting a corrupted ritual by a corrupted entity would be too risky.

So if you want to walk the walk, you probably shouldn't be supporting the entity you seem to hate the most. Listen to the things you are proposing like animal & blood sacrifice; hmmm - what does that remind me of? Didn't the OT jews do a lot of that?

Yup. Which is why i'm bowing out of this one.

As we reach the end of cycle, our intention becomes more and more powerful. If we truly want to enforce the positive vibrations towards 4D+, we must focus upon those energies rather than trying to misdirect or confuse the energies of the STS. They have their own harvest to meet. Don't get distracted with others' catalyst; practice what you preach.

Yup, Which is why i'm bowing out of this one But it was fun as heck to think about, first time i've been invited to something like that. Its always interesting to ponder new opportunities.

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Paint your car pink then drive into the ceremony with this playing loudly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVeUiUYRlVE.

I'am picturing this in my head and it's gold hehe. I think Lord Lucifer himself would have a giggle at this.

Oh oh, sweet jesus, you'll laugh at this.

From : http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/bright.html

A Pen and Paper RPG about angels and demons having a kind of cold war that goes on "for eternity" about directing humans in a cosmic play towards one or the other end of the moral scale of "the symphony of life".

"You're only annoying when you act annoying," my angel chastised. She stopped at the mouth of the alleyway. "Stand near the curb and tell me when you see a purple car. You can't miss it." I did as requested, and within a few minutes the ugliest, most horrendously – well, purple – car I'd ever seen crept around the corner. I signalled her and she stepped out of the alley, flagging it down like you would a taxi. It stopped instantly, the smell of burnt rubber lingering in the air.

The car's rear door opened, and Nicole pushed me forward toward it.

"He's a friend of mine," she called, retreating back into the alley. "I'll catch up with you guys in a jiff."

I stumbled in, and the ugliest car in the world pulled away from the curb so quickly I fell into the floorboards.

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Yeah, that somehow reminds me of what you said

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Paint your car pink then drive into the ceremony with this playing loudly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVeUiUYRlVE.

I'am picturing this in my head and it's gold hehe. I think Lord Lucifer himself would have a giggle at this.

Yes!!! That's perfect! And Cyan, you're going to need your strength. It will be a night of no small exertion. So be sure to eat well beforehand!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeZlih4DDNg

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbV0VhlIzzo

This meal will get you in the mood and provide plenty of stamina!

ahh, a second response *huggle* you didnt leave after all!



*Watches videos linked*

I may have to bookmark this show for culinary advice...

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I am sorry to recite something from South Park, but I feel like this is perfectly appropriate.

"Drugs are bad, mmmmkay?"

...just stop doing it

Yes, you heard me people, stop the following things:

Eating or consuming anything that causes changed in the emotional mood state of your basic being.

I recommend a nutritionally balanced paste with water. Matrix resistance has a good idea about this.

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Would this be the point of "My fall" or the point of "My ascension"

Hard to say.

But thoughts. Should i participate, refuse to participate, participate and do a counter counter mass (Dedicate to Ra anyone?)

Opinions, how would i best go about making this a ridiclously positive event for all involved?

It's your choice of course, but since you asked for an opinion... If I would be you, I would refrain from this ritual 10 times of 10. Because for instance, you mentioned that going to the church is "tuning out" for a non Christian. Well, it might be, but it's still "do-able" by focusing on the appropriate configuration in its own mind, since a lot of stuff in the church are of positive nature. Imagine now, a completely negative environment. Because even if the church might have negative colorings, it is still positive in its intention and conscious desire, although yes, having this negative mixed orientation. But imagine an openly completely negative environment! I think that it's almost impossible to tune into the light and love in that kind of environment...? It reminds me of what Ra said about impossibility to polarize positively on a negative planet...

When I ask for an opinion, I ask for an opinion, and I accept all feedback except personal insults or insinuations of personal insulting nature. No need to be afraid to give opinions . To the post itself:

I see the church as a completely negative orientation. So, yes, i agree i should stay away 10/10 from both church and this mass. =). That is because i consider the concept of the "original sin" to be the worst travasty that you could lay on a sentient being.

Another thing that would keep me away from that meeting is that you might or might not be a wanderer. Many might say that it doesn't matter, but it does in my own humble opinion. Because if you are a wanderer, you have a different, denser light of your spirit complex. And that attracts the attention. You will be like a bright flashlight in the darkness, and there might be some entities who would perhaps not like that. I am thinking that this kind of gathering might be attended by many time/space beings of the negative polarity looking for "fun" or something else, and when seeing you they might get some ideas, and this meeting might attract to you a companion.

I have quite a sizable number of "companions" in a way. That is, I have both intentioally deeply STS and STO people in my contact lists, that is mostly because i'm aiming for a path with no polarity so i accept both if they act according to the moral fiber of the situation and do not make a trouble of themselves. Has worked thus far, but thats only because i've worked within social frameworks where the people that i am introduced to have already been aware of the pre-existing conditions for entrance to my social network. This would be entirely different in a massive way and i believe overall, a bad idea and for the reasons you specified as well as the actual possibility of being a high-level wanderer doing something like this.

It may be that i'm 5th STO or maybe even early 6th STO without veil, who knows, either way, if i'm anything but early 4th D STO and i do something like this with an actual intent of summoning something and / or corrupting the ritual. I dont think a flashlight would be the proper analogue. I think a H-Bomb sized flashbang would be the proper analogue in terms of attention gathering. All in all, not a good idea

But hey, welcome to the density of free will, and have fun in whatever you choose. /

Thank you, i usually try to. This has, at least, sparked a VERY lively debate here and some interesting opinions have been forwarded by all parties.

More to the point, i would love to see what happens if I would ever come to homecoming with a STS oriented friend who is into LOO related material. It would probably be a tremendous opportunity for both sides to gain new insights and new ways of looking at things.