Abrupt vs gradual harvest

[hogey11]

The 'harvest process' has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING do to with "removing the tares of negativity." Zip. Zero. Zilch. It has everything to do with walking the steps of light.

In terms of individualized portions of consciousness (individual humans), I agree, but on a planetary scale, I don't think you can know that.

Going to Jesus' teachings on harvest is not offensive to me; I resonate with it. I'm not asking you to; i'm only stating what my understanding is. Shutting down my idea (caps or no caps) is not going to affect whether I hold it.

The question here is whether "life as we know it" will be suddenly interrupted- while in progress- for everybody to walk the steps of light, or whether this will only occur upon death of 3D entities.

My question is whether the negative influences can still hold true while we walk those stairs of light. Looking at the parable of the harvest, it may take the form of the 'tares' being collected first (STS harvestables), followed by the 'good wheat' once they have been removed. If we were to harvest both at once, the harvest would be spoiled with 'bad taste' (negative influences). That's where i'm coming from on this.

David Wilcock has been blatantly misrepresenting the Ra Material for almost twenty years. Yet, I am cast as the "attacker" for pointing out what they actually said and he is in need of "defense" for his persistent misrepresentation of the Ra Material to millions of people? Hmmm.... interesting twist there....

Would Carla and Jim take David into their house for nearly 2 years if David had negative intentions towards the teachings?

Why are you interpreting me as casting you as an 'attacker' in all of this? Me disagreeing with you and agreeing with David on some aspects of what he espouses is not a slag against you; it has nothing to do with you. It has everything to do with me; they are my distortions to experience. I don't see what you do when you study David's work. I see a different conclusion. I'm not going to try to convince you; you have obviously made your mind up about the man.

Ultimately, Tenet, you are framing yourself as a bit of an authority here, and i'm not sure that's fair. I may disagree with some aspects of David's understanding just as I do yours, but I think we all need to step back and understand all the different facets of 'the harvest'. Often, our arguments are only misunderstandings, as we are all feeling different aspects calling to us as important.

As far as misrepresenting the Law of One, I completely disagree with you. I think if you combed this forum, you'd find that here as well we are espousing ideas and concepts that don't completely align with the Law of One in absolute fashions. Yet, do we run around the forum attacking others for blatantly misrepresenting the material due to misunderstandings based on personal distortions? We all participate in these things. Let's not get too heavy about it. (that's my take)

We do not need to wait until 5D to accept this wisdom, or to put it into practice.

This wisdom is what we aim to attain in our 4D catalyst and lessons. Again, I think we should keep our eyes on the prize for the here and now; ie: 4D+ vibrations, wisdom or not. You may be a 5D wanderer and therefore the pull of wisdom lies very strong for yourself. That may not be the same set of lessons facing a 3D harvestable tho. We cannot assume they have the wisdom to tell one from the other because they haven't completed those lessons, nor are they set to. Not yet, anyways.

To the contrary, if we don't put it into practice we will continue to kill each other in perpetual wars. That is because the act of war is entirely predicated upon the distortion of enemy/ally.

Hopefully these things will start to change in our current situation. Even the Israeli/Palestine fight we are watching now has a very different 'tone' than years past. Israel is no longer receiving a free pass, and the world is starting to push back. Things are changing; we cannot say for sure how quick they will.

No. The problem in the 3D arena is that we have been presented with the distortion of having an enemy, and we continue to persist in supporting this illusion despite actually knowing better. Thus, we reinforce the distortion instead of balancing it.

I disagree. The 'battle' continues into 4th density; there is just less confusion. We will have made our decision and attributed ourselves to one polarity or the other through the harvest process; it is then up to us to continue that journey, which will inevitably lead to contact and conflict with the opposite polarity. This is a good thing; it increases our 4D catalyst.

48.6 Questioner: Thank you. That clears up that point very well. Can you tell me how positive and negative polarizations in fourth and fifth density are used to cause working in consciousness?
Ra: I am Ra. There is very little work in consciousness in fourth and in fifth densities compared to the work done in third density. The work that is accomplished in positive fourth is that work whereby the positive social memory complex, having, through slow stages, harmoniously integrated itself, goes forth to aid those of less positive orientation which seek their aid. Thus their service is their work and through this dynamic between the societal self and the other-self which is the object of love, greater and greater intensities of understanding or compassion are attained. This intensity continues until the appropriate intensity of the light may be welcomed. This is fourth-density harvest.

Within fourth-density positive there are minor amounts of catalyst of a spiritual and mental complex distortion. This occurs during the process of harmonizing to the extent of forming the social memory complex. This causes some small catalyst and work to occur, but the great work of fourth density lies in the contact betwixt the societal self and less polarized other-self.

In fourth-density negative much work is accomplished during the fighting for position which precedes the period of the social memory complex. There are opportunities to polarize negatively by control of other-selves. During the social memory complex period of fourth-density negative the situation is the same. The work takes place through the societal reaching out to less polarized other-self in order to aid in negative polarization.

In fifth-density positive and negative the concept of work done through a potential difference is not particularly helpful as fifth-density entities are, again, intensifying rather than potentiating.

In positive, the fifth-density complex uses sixth-density teach/learners to study the more illuminated understandings of unity thus becoming more and more wise. Fifth-density positive social memory complexes often will choose to divide their service to others in two ways: first, the beaming of light to creation; second, the sending of groups to be of aid as instruments of light such as those whom you’re familiar with through channels.

In fifth-density negative, service to self has become extremely intense and the self has shrunk or compacted so that the dialogues with the teach/learners are used exclusively in order to intensify wisdom. There are very, very few fifth-density negative Wanderers for they fear the forgetting. There are very, very few fifth-density Orion members for they do not any longer perceive any virtue in other-selves.

The 'game' of polarities continues, but the context changes. We 'invest' in less polarized other-selves as 4D+, just as the 4D- groups do. In this fashion, there is conflict. The confusion element is not as strong as we are no longer fighting over ourselves, but rather, other-selves. This is a huge difference, imo.

Control is the tool of negative polarization. It is not our place to "inhibit" STS. Why would we want to do that? Sounds like negative polarization to me.

I never said it was 'our place' to inhibit STS. That would be the work of the guardians that oversee the 'harvest' (Jesus called them 'angels')

Yes, I agree. But what does any of this have to do with harvest?

I have chosen to take Jesus' parable of the harvest more to heart than you have. That is why it matters.