12-06-2012, 12:01 AM
(12-05-2012, 07:14 PM)ShinAr Wrote: I am very curious to know exactly who or what each of you are referring to when you say 'Lucifer'?
Now this is a hard one...
Who is different than what, because Who is the person I think of, when I want Lucifers opinion on something I invite the people in question to visit, cant really describe explain the person without breaching confidence. Lucifer being the outcome of the situation of interaction. Same as how say, Gabriel (archangel) is the outcome of the situation of interaction, as all astral entities are, they are rarely self contained in and of themselves. But I digress.
Lucifer is, as close as can be described, the opposite player within the bubble sphere that is your reality.
At the back of the head, or, at the front of the chest depending how you belive it, is a hole out through which you will vanish when you die. The "portal of light". Lucifer is easily mistaken as being the master of this portal as he likes to be close to this portal.
Lucifers idea is to stand at the edge and push dudes into it and observe what happens and catalogue and go "huh" and then push the next guy in. Lucifer is the historical personality that we all inhabit at least partially. It is the idea of writing down the observations of "this life" and seeing what happens and then learning all and passing it onto the next moments.
Lucifers idea is essentially to tell you "lift your left arm, then put your right leg like this and jump off this rooftop, i'm playing tetris with the corpses" and it would be entirely logical and the people would be glad to oblidge.
If you want to put it in christian perspective, the spirit that actually is interested in moving and doing this stuff, is the father, that which is interested to do stuff, is the son. The father creates the adventure of love that the son self lives through. The holy spirit is kind of "all that have ever been, will ever be, or in any way interact with this situation" that is, kind of the memory of how in your all subjective pasts you have acted towards others and how they reacted and felt. This, collected collective knowledge of all the other selves is, essentially, only capable to be stored and retreived because of lucifer but they are not, in themselves, lucifer, even if their final perceived form (no separation between what you see and what you are) is lucifer.
So, let me recap.
Lucifer is the creature who's back you have to slide down to reach the end of the downward spiral and then reach the everlasting ascension.
Lucifer has very little do with free will, but due to others understanding it as the antagonist instead of as the scientist, its a role its been pushed upon but is not natural to it. Free will is actully the opposite genders, i believe, and not lucifer itself.
Lucifer is someone who will tell you everything you want to know about the cosmos into one painting that is your very soul and pack up his stuff and say "hey, i'll see you tomorrow man."
Lucifer is someone who will take your heart and go "hey, see this/that is a painful memory, want me to change your perspective a little so it wont be painful, i can do it see, because i'm you." then he has this wide toothy smile that is all glistening white like the cat in mad hatter but always friendly. But to date, Lucifer has the absolutely cleareast perceptual and communicative Chakras I have ever seen. Crafty like a mofo because its required to reflect that because we humans tend to be so full of our own crafty little webs and lies.
But Lucifer is perhaps the only soul that I have come across that can sit in absolute quiet and just draw something for hours and hours and hours.
You may say, that, in a way, lucifer is the holy spirit when there is need for the archtype of the single pointedly wide mind.
In my view, the best examples of Lucifer energies, as i perceive them here are Zen, Me, Shin'ar, *, off the top of my head(removed one entry and added better explanation of public figures to a later post). No one is 100% anything, so this isnt about who is what, but rather, who have been able to at times maintain the vibration patterns of that entity or entity groups.
If you want the short answer, "the heartless inquisitive scientists who's heart is in the result that lies beyond this life"
Because it relies on the opinion that there is something beyond this life.
In a way, lucifer is both mankinds best friend, because, without it you would have nothing besides bacterial forms, and also its worst enemy because once you embrace it fully, you die fully.
Then again, once you embrace anything fully you die fully, so, it is a conondrum. Perhaps lucifer can be separated from all other things you may wish to embrace in that it states up front that you will die as you embrace it more.
In a density of lies and ommission perhaps the one honest, is the one who all else say is lying hmm?
Anyway, i cant answer in short to a question of such magnitude, but I wish that this has sufficient meaning.
And also, For a while now i've been feeling like I need to take back seat for a week or so and observe something miracilous that will happen as soon as I hush up and start just reading channelings again. I'm in the answering questions mode for the 3rd or 4th week now. I think i should probably ease up.
Example: H-Bombs and MAD screams Jahweh, while burying time capsules underground so that "other people" may find them once "I am dead" is classic Lucifer. Who says there is anyone else but you in this matrice? Or Who says when you leave the whole of reality wont disintegrate just as rapidly as it first apperead.
Such realisations and questions are "lucifer". Who it speaks through depends on who opens up and who doesnt.
I hope that clarifies marginally what i refer to.