Abrupt vs gradual harvest

[zenmaster]

Bigger question is why would one manufacture an excuse to focus their intent? Also, why put it off on such a manner?

Collective mankind creates possibilities because they are connected to current end of 3D, start of 4D and harvest.

The collective has always been doing this, regardless of expectations fostered by framing by influential material and the vision of leaders.

Souls are impatient and through the human lens, they create thoughts of destruction, mass ascension, not only wishes, fears and fantasies at personal level, but also global level...

What one chooses to do with impatience is not inherent to the soul.

It all makes sense.

Everything makes sense.

But it would be much easier harvest if most would be pointing in the same direction.

North, East, West, or South?

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How do you know how a wanderer responds to the 'clock striking the hour' as opposed to a native 3D 'earthling'?

Why would I want to know this and why would that be relevant?

Can we be sure they handle things exactly the same?

Why does this matter?

Does the fact that they have 'somewhere to go' other than another 3D cycle complicate things?

Complicate in what manner? With respect to what?

Would they receive the same 'trauma' a full 3D would receive if they were to become aware of 4D vibrations (which I still think is misunderstood as a whole new reality rather than a 'mode' of living)?

What trauma are you talking about?

The vast majority are actually earth natives and transplants. Remember, 2D harvests happen constantly.

Here's my problem with that. When Ra talks about 3D souls that don't make the harvest, they speak of another 75,000 year cycle. They don't say that we can piggyback onto another planet nearing harvest; we have to do the whole thing again.

I presume you are referring to the transplants. It would be surprising if these did not number in the millions, as we've killed off a lot of the intermediate species here.

2D cycles are longer than 3D cycles, and again, we know that incarnation near harvest is decided based on seniority of vibration.

2D encompasses everything from a microbe to a neanderthal. Again, incarnation before and after harvest is also decided based on seniority of vibration. The thing is, due to experience, wanderers have much more of a choice in the matter of participation.

Letting in brand new 2D graduates makes no sense at this point in time as it's the end of cycle;

It would make no sense if there was relative lack of opportunity. But you see, there is plenty of opportunity due to the population size.

it makes far more sense that the population spike is from elsewhere (ie: wanderers) who are here to 'help' with harvest by raising the planets vibration.

You don't 'help' by denying opportunity to experience a life. I'd say the wanderer incarnation rate is steady with the population growth. Perhaps 1.5-2%.

That's why if you look at where the population has grown the most in the last 30 years, it's mostly in 3rd world and rural countries. I believe this is due to the risks that wealth and the first world bring to the table;

It's due to the results of copulation in those countries.

it is easy to 'keep your eyes on the prize' when you are not being tempted 24/7. It allows these 'great souls' to keep grounded in their work as passive radiators (imo).

Tempted by what?

But it doesn't really go by seniority of vibration near the harvest. The concept of seniority of vibration is a universal constant, regardless of harvest time. Further, a wanderer would not prevent a single 3D native from experiencing this lifetime by denying it a suitable body.

I disagree. If there is not enough space/time to acquire the learnings needed for the harvest, the 'spot' would be much better used by a wanderer who could help in that regard. Sending a grade 1 student to high school doesn't help anybody.

But there is no 'high school' at this time. All subdensities are bursting with catalyst at the moment, in a wide range of social environments which are at varying levels of progress with regards to removing distortions.

It makes a great deal of sense that there have been a lot of 'new souls' in the past 30 years, simply because of the massive population growth and the quite suitable lower vibrations available. The opposite would be true, however. That is, if there was less population growth, there would be proportionally more 'old souls'.

You think there are lower vibrations now than before?

No, what makes you say that?

The world has never been more bright or positive, so I don't get what you're saying.

Lower vibrations have nothing to do with attitude? It has to do with distortions and balancing opportunities.

You seem to be inferring that the 3rd world and rural countries are in some sort of spiritual jail when I think the opposite is true.

Wherever are you getting this notion? Spiritual jail?

Also, most people from 3rd world countries that I have met respect life and love others far more than people from 'here'. Just my experience.

Yes, but that degree of respect for life and demonstration of love is really something that has always existed in many social cultures, regardless of what subdensities are being worked with. Generally speaking, most are highly distorted, being relatively new to 3D experience. A tribal culture, for example, still experiencing the world via participation mystique is quite in harmony with themselves and the environment. Yet they are still very much distorted and therefore limited in what may be appreciated from the higher vibrations.

When the lower vibrations are no longer viable for providing 'new-soul' 3D catalyst, then there will be huge influx of 'old-soul', recent 4D graduates from elsewhere. And the more people here, the more distant their origins will be.

I see this already all around me. I know more young 'old souls' than I do old ones. If anybody seems like a dying breed, it's the confused old people. Young people have learnt from them enough; we're not taking what they had. We see where that brings you.

Yes, but it is not happening to a large extent, at the moment, due to the viable catalyst at the lower vibrations.