01-13-2013, 03:35 AM
(01-12-2013, 08:42 AM)ShinAr Wrote: Does the breath become separate from the Breather after it leaves the mouth?
Is the thought separate from the thinker as it proceeds into creation as vibration?
At 700 million miles an hour does the ray of light separate from Its source?
It does within the illusion. Separation is an image that is displayed in the inverted reflection of infinity, which shows us a temporary picture of finity.
(01-12-2013, 08:42 AM)ShinAr Wrote: This is potentiation, where without the action of the source, the fragment does not come into being.
I do not like to use the term illusion to describe the potentiation, as illusion defines something as unreal. The potentiation is very real, just as your breath and thoughts are very real. Their attachment and mystery do not make them unreal. And the reality of it all being perceived as form when it is vibration does not mean it is illusion to all beings. It just means that certain life forms perceive the vibrations in their condensed forms rather than the way that many other life forms see them as the vibrations.
From my perspective, illusion just means "not as it truly is" rather than "it doesn't exist". A distortion of the original reality. Everything exists, and everything is real. In relative reality, comparisons are made between "realness" of one thing, and the "realness" of another.
In absolute reality, no such comparisons are made. All is real. No difference between the probable and the actual. No difference between the potential and the kinetic.
(01-12-2013, 08:42 AM)ShinAr Wrote: To a light being and to The One these are not illusions at all, so how can we say they are illusions?
We say this, or should I say the Ra Material describes it this way because it knows that what is truly vibrations all around us, we rather see as forms. This, the Ra group, refers to as illusion. But I would say that this is a mistaken use of our language and should rather be defined as delusion.
A "delusion", from my perspective, is an illusion that is disempowering in nature.
There is nothing wrong with choosing to experience separation. As Ra says, it is simply an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought that binds all things.
(01-12-2013, 08:42 AM)ShinAr Wrote: Clever use of the Ouroboros Anagogy.
But see here is how you actually make my point above. If you think that duality is a matter of choice, choosing to perceive, that also states that there is another choice of not seeing it that way.
It's a matter of "choice" within the illusion. This is very difficult to relay in words, but the *act* of "choice" throws one into the "illusion". All finite realities are contained within the plenum of infinity. Choosing, which is a form of discrimination among "infinite variety", focuses one of these finite "cross sections" or "slices" of infinity into a seemingly separated potentiated existence. This excursion into relativity has no impact whatsoever on the absolute reality, where choice is not necessary.
In the broadest and most absolute unpotentiated reality, there is no choice. In human words, that seems like a restriction, but it is in no way intended to be understood like that. It is infinity. Infinity is all possibility. It is "all choice". It is "all being". So all choices are being explored for all eternity. That is infinity.
I realize you have a different conception of infinity, and that's fine. We all have different pieces to integrate.
(01-12-2013, 08:42 AM)ShinAr Wrote: Again you state exactly what I have said. The water is very real not an illusion. The reflection is very real as well. If we choose to perceive the reflection as the actual water and not a reflection of it, then it becomes delusion, not illusion.
In the case of the optical illusion it is an illusion because it is a reflection of the real thing caused by refracting light vibration.
But here is the key; there is a difference between the reflection of a thing and the condensed form of its vibrations. One is mimicking the form and the other is a condensed aspect of that form.
If I was to continue the analogy, I would say the water is the spirit, the reflection upon its surface is the mind, and the mountains, trees, and sky being reflected are the body.
(01-12-2013, 08:42 AM)ShinAr Wrote: Yet again, here is the commonality between all; both are processes. All is process.
Everything is motion.
(01-12-2013, 08:42 AM)ShinAr Wrote: Not illusion just because certain aspects of creation are unable to comprehend or perceive a certain way. Just because a process of potentiation is occurring does not mean that how it is perceived defines whether or not it is an actual process or reality.
This is why I think that either the Ra Group, or the scribe, were not applying appropriate translation as they attempted to define these matters.
I think you just have a different interpretation of the word "illusion" than Ra used or what the translators/scribers of the Ra material did. Illusion doesn't mean "doesn't exist", it just means doesn't exist in the way that one is "translating" it as.
All perception involves a translation of data. The default state of existence is such that there is no sensory translation of data, there is just raw knowingness, or beingness.
(01-12-2013, 08:42 AM)ShinAr Wrote: Here we, in human form, limited to human experience, exist in a universe of potentiality and infinite possibility, with countless other life forms all around us throughout the galaxies, and we choose to define it all as an illusion just because we can't see it all the way that gazillions of others do.
Illusions serve the purpose of allowing us to see what life is like in separation.
White light is beautiful, but that same white light poured through a prism that separates the colors into their respective spectrums is beautiful too.
Separation isn't wrong, its just an experience contained within infinity. The colors are contained within the white light. They aren't unreal. The prism is the illusion, the part that seemingly separates the colors.