01-14-2013, 04:52 AM
(01-13-2013, 10:55 PM)kanonathena Wrote: Is duality the only way creator can experience itself? Since experiencing seems to imply duality.
The creator knows itself in oneness, but yes, duality is the only way for the creator to experience itself as an object. That is to say, experience itself in separation. To know itself in separation.
It's like looking in a mirror versus not looking in the mirror. When not looking in a mirror, you know yourself on the inside, but to actually see your face from a perspective outside of it, you need the mirror which reflects you to yourself from a perspective outside of yourself.
This is why I say it is the creator attempting to experience itself as an object. It's like the snake looking at its tail to see what it looks like, and then forgetting its looking at its own tail and thinks it is something "other" than itself. This is how duality arises.
(01-13-2013, 10:55 PM)kanonathena Wrote: If desire is free will, as free will is the first distortion, then desire (free will) is a distortion/illusion.
Desire arises from the belief/thought that there is something that you aren't or don't possess already. A thought of separation, in other-words. In oneness, there arises the thought or curiosity of what it would be like to be finite, which results in the free will distortion (it technically *is* the free will distortion). In separation, the desire to be complete arises and equals ones spiritual gravity as this desire escalates over the span of the densities.
(01-13-2013, 10:55 PM)kanonathena Wrote: It looks like free will and duality is the same thing, the first distortion.
Yes. A curiosity forms in infinity about its opposite: finity. This curiosity takes it to experience. However, this exploration, or investment, has no impact whatsoever on the infinity whose existence it arises from. The infinity contains all possibility, and both the "curiosity about the experience" and the "experience itself" are simply lower energy shells of this infinity. It contains these probabilities inside of it.
The first distortion causes all the consciousness bubbles we call "selves" to form within the illusion. But it starts with just the one big bubble, or Logos. These bubbles or "selves" are illusory boundaries of consciousness. When the bubble "pops", there is no separation between the consciousness that was in the bubble, and the consciousness outside of the bubble.
(01-13-2013, 10:55 PM)kanonathena Wrote: Desire and what is desired/what desire created seem to be the same thing too, taking place at the same time.
Anything other than "all is one" is distortion, so the great original thought is also a illusion/distortion. By the way the great original thought is free will/duality right?
The original thought is the harvest of all previous experience of the creator.
I've always been of the intuition that anything other than oneness is distortion, and that moving into unpotentiation would pretty much dissolve anything that was distortion (anything finite), but it would seem there are parts of the creation or illusion that are not dissolved across the transition of the octave -- one of them being the original thought.
I'm still reconciling this in my mind. It hasn't come into clear enough intuitive focus for me yet. In my mind, it wouldn't be able to become fully unpotentiated without erasing this experience of the previous octave, but that is not how Ra says it works. But then, it is possible that the octave transition does not result in full unpotentiation, just close to it, and then uses those chosen ripples or distortion waves that were deemed exceptional and flow them into the next octave of densities.
On the other hand, Ra did say the finite excursion was "free to continue in an eternal present", which seems to lend credence to the idea that even in the octave transition, not all relativity is dissolved.