Now I for one disagree with one of your statements Quantum. "Nor would he wish for that someone to give up their life for any reason (including getting to heaven or 4D), as "Heaven Can Wait" (as much as can 4D)." I would not have a problem with someone giving up there life to get to 4d/heaven were it a sure thing and the situation were dire. I know it is situational and I know that every experience gained here is a valuable one, but lets face it they are going on to something better and physical death seems very trivial in the light of all of that. I for one would not give up my own life unless it were to save someone or a group of people from something terrible i.e. no suicide; for I know and understand that every experience gained here is valuable and I crave all that I can get my hands on. Maybe just maybe the sacrifice of the self could itself be a catalyst to learn from in hindsight though. Food for thought and all we really know is that we don't know for sure. I personally think and hope that the gradualist version is true, but to reinforce my desire/thought Q'uo says that it is the way that it will happen. Now for the purpose of 3d it could be purposeful misinformation to keep the confusion going, and I accept that to. Either way what is meant to happen will happen and we will all be better off in the end; so lets party and try not to think about it too much ehh?
That is just my 2 cents and I am still possibly/probably wrong.
Its all good my friends.
Love and Peace
That is just my 2 cents and I am still possibly/probably wrong.
Its all good my friends.Love and Peace