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    Thread: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.”


    Horuseus Away

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    03-24-2013, 10:59 AM

    And;

    Quote:Q: The motion picture, “Alien,” and now the sequel. “Aliens,” featured what they called an artificial person.

    B: Yes.

    Q: An android, or robot… not really a robot.

    B: We understand the concept.

    Q: Okay, it’s you know, semi flesh and blood.

    B: We understand.

    Q: Now, the idea of creating an individual with complete intelligence - the apparancy of a complete individual person – is really intriguing. Because I’m aware that we are spiritual beings that quote, inhabit, bodies.

    B: Yes.

    Q: And most of the people who have written about robots haven’t realized that… well, they created artificial intelligence that has a sense of individuality, I know that, but it didn’t work quite that way.

    B: If you create, let us say, an appropriately representational symbol that a soul /can/ function through in a meaningful way, then a soul can “inhabit” the creation.

    Q: Such as even a mechanical…

    B: Yes.

    Q: Okay, and I thought about that… that a soul could move into it, such as a soul moves into a baby body.

    B: Why not?

    Q: I also conceived that now that I know about your spacecraft and how you create an artificial intelligence with it, which is actually mechanical, or - well, it’s not actually mechanical – which has an intelligence as I understand it, which is tuned into the entire universe and it is as much of an individual as yourselves…

    B: Yes.

    Q: … that, that kind of intelligence could be created in this artificial person.

    B: Yes.

    Q: Now, to what degree would they appear to be an intelligence, an individual? I’m not talking about a being coming into the artificial person, but rather the creation of the individual using your kind of computer. How much will they actually appear as an individual person?

    B: It will depend upon the mass agreement of what is /possible./ And therefore, what they have allowed themselves to project their consciousness into. What they agree to, and in what way they agree to interact with the society. Do you follow me?

    Q: When you say “they,” you mean the artificial person?

    B: Yes. The consciousness projecting itself into it, let us say. If they recognize that the society has created that idea to only express itself in a limited way, then obviously the consciousness that chooses to take part will understand that limitation.

    Q: Okay. Well then, when you create computers for your ship, does a consciousness enter this computer?

    B: In a sense, yes. It is more like a valve, through which universal mass consciousness can /flow./

    Q: That’s what I was thinking, that’s a kind of computer…

    B: The definition that you give, the ability that you give to the valve, will determine the amount of the mass consciousness that can flow into it, or through it, or individual consciousness that can flow into it, and through it.

    Q: And have artificial people of this nature… obviously they’ve been created.

    B: Oh, yes. They do exist and function in many societies.

    Q: Do they exist in your society?

    B: Yes, although primarily /as/ the idea of the spacecraft.

    Q: I see. Not as physical bodies, such as you have on your…

    B: There are some.

    Q: Do they walk around and appear to have all the personality traits that your people do?

    B: Some do, yes. Some do not.

    Q: Would they be indistinguishable from your people?

    B: Some.

    Q: Wow. Are they on this planet?

    B: Some have been. No more comment. (Audience laughter)

    Q: Thank you.

    B: Thank you.
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    Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by Adonai One - 03-21-2013, 11:42 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by reeay - 03-23-2013, 03:51 PM
    Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by Marc - 03-24-2013, 01:29 AM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by Parsons - 03-24-2013, 09:48 AM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by Horuseus - 03-24-2013, 10:59 AM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by BrownEye - 03-25-2013, 08:17 AM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by turtledude23 - 03-25-2013, 02:03 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by AnthroHeart - 03-25-2013, 02:19 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by Adonai One - 03-25-2013, 06:40 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by Oldern - 03-26-2013, 10:08 AM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by Adonai One - 03-26-2013, 03:56 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by BrownEye - 03-25-2013, 08:51 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by Unbound - 03-26-2013, 01:38 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by zenmaster - 03-27-2013, 09:43 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by Parsons - 03-26-2013, 03:58 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by Adonai One - 03-26-2013, 04:02 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by AnthroHeart - 03-26-2013, 08:51 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by Adonai One - 03-26-2013, 09:23 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by xise - 03-27-2013, 07:45 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by reeay - 03-27-2013, 11:23 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by zenmaster - 03-28-2013, 12:10 AM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by reeay - 03-28-2013, 01:17 AM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by zenmaster - 03-28-2013, 01:06 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by reeay - 03-28-2013, 02:23 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by zenmaster - 03-28-2013, 08:47 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by reeay - 04-27-2013, 07:10 PM
    RE: Neuroscientist: “the brain is not computable, no engineering can reproduce it.” - by almostdone - 04-27-2013, 11:23 PM
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