06-14-2013, 06:18 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-14-2013, 06:44 PM by Adonai One.)
(06-14-2013, 05:59 PM)vervex Wrote: Happiness is hardly being bowed to. What you are describing is power, authority, not being happy.I agree wholeheartedly.
How about this for fairness, everyone deserves to be happy, so long their happiness does not hinder others' happiness around them?
Anyhow, happiness comes from within. A child does not need power or money or authority to be happy, no more than an adult does. They only need to choose happiness and welcome it. As they say, happiness is a state of mind. That is why some people in horrible or painful circumstances can still achieve happiness. It's a door you open within yourself. So technically, even the modified statement above, being happy, since it comes from within, can never hinder someone else's happiness. The illusion of happiness or some mental or physical forms of pleasure may however cause pain to others.

(06-14-2013, 05:59 PM)vervex Wrote: Worthiness may seem to vary according to societal standards, but in truth, it does not. We attribute certain values for certain objects, animals and even people completely arbitrarily. Let's use an example with money, as it is one of the most obvious examples; why is a hot dog worth 3$? Because we decided it was a fair price. However if you go from one restaurant or street cart to another, you will notice the price may vary from 2.50$ to 3.50$. So, what's the real worth of a hot dog? Even more crucial: if you take 2 identical hot dogs and price one at 2.50$ and the other at 3.50$, will they change in their form? Will one become nicer and the other uglier? Does this new value affect their nature?Yay, economics. I believe that the nature of the hotdog is inherently subjective. A hotdog will not feel and taste the same for all people and thus their value varies just as their nature. The pricing may affect their percieved nature due to price signals that act as feedback for supply and demand, which make them more or less scarcer and valuable.
The nature and the value are tied together. They affect one another. A higher-priced hotdog may in fact become nicer to the reseller of hotdogs. A lower-priced one may become more valuable for the consumer.
(06-14-2013, 05:59 PM)vervex Wrote: No, it does not. It's the same hot dog, whether you decide it costs 1$ or 100$. It will never change. The worth we give to things and people is therefore completely irrelevant. The worth of a human being at their birth is the same as their worth on their death bed. It is the same essence which is present, and so even if you feel it has a different value it makes no difference. It is ever the same.There's one flaw in your argument: We are not all undistorted percespetives of the all-loving God quite yet. Macrocosmically, everything has equal and infinite value but as things become distorted in the microcosmic, the perceptions will vary just as creation is distortion itself.
The fact of the matter is some will consider a baby cute and adoptable. Others may find it ugly and reject it.
Everything is the same essence but so are all perceptions, whether it be judgemental or unconditionally loving.
Universal value is an ideal but it is not the nature of a distorted reality.
(06-14-2013, 05:59 PM)vervex Wrote: That is why real worth is not defined by people's opinion, and the value people try to attribute to you is completely irrelevant. Tomorrow the world may decide you are very worthy, or completely worthless, and it will have no impact. The difference is that humans, unlike hot dogs, actually tend to believe in the worth they are given and change their behaviour to reflect this new artificial value. One who feels worthless may become depressed and sad. One who feels very valuable may become confident and even prideful.
This is all inconsequential. What are you really worth?
Macrocosmically, I am worth as much as anything else. I am of infinite macrocosmic value. Microcosmically, I am worth whatever the market values my resume and by how much people value my company. As for the unconditional lover, I am of an infinite value.
I am an unconditional lover and I see all people as having infinite value although I do not feel and see as the creator quite yet.
I can only hope this does not hinder my relationship with anyone here. This is my honest perspective.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective...y_of_value