Must/needs become complex

[Adonai One]

I am in complete agreement with Ra's view. There is no contradiction except one perceived out of a misunderstanding. Heh.

Indeed, the relationships are secondary for they cannot be made without understanding the concepts themselves.

The concepts are distinct but they are not separate. You will not be able to apply to archetypes to your life viewing them absolutely individualized.

In summary, if you cannot tangibly apply the archetypes to your life and endeavors as a process, you do not have an understanding of them. Why else would Ra say they are useful for the adept?

If such was never the case, then the archetypes are trivial and useless.

Is it possible to have a complex, within a complex, within a complex etc., etc.,?

Ra does say that each archetype contains its own complex of concepts. Perhaps the real answer is just too convoluted for me to understand

It's not. It's actually so absurdly simple that most people don't want to hear it.

It should also be said that most of this forum is giving subjective interpretations of Ra's words. Ra purposefully chose to provide ambiguous statements in regards to the archetypes.

It is fairly unfortunate to say there is no objective, primary resource on this matter. This whole forum is personal interpretation.

Also, Ra clearly calls them cycles.

77.12 Questioner: That is correct. I am asking with respect to this particular Logos, our sun, in creating the experience of its planetary system and those sub-Logoi of it.

Ra: I am Ra. This query has substance. We shall begin by turning to an observation of a series of concept complexes of which you are familiar as the tarot.

The philosophy was to create a foundation, first of mind, then of body, and then of spiritual complex. Those concept complexes you call the tarot lie then in three groups of seven: the mind cycle, one through seven; the physical complex cycle, eight through fourteen; the spiritual complex cycle, fifteen through twenty-one. The last concept complex may best be termed The Choice.

Upon the foundation of transformation of each complex, with free will guided by the root concepts offered in these cycles, the Logos offered this density the basic architecture of a building and constructing and synthesizing of data culminating in The Choice.

Also, relevant. I don't know how you guys are using these at all, haha.

77.13 Questioner: Then for me to condense your statement, I see it meaning that there are seven basic philosophical foundations for mental experience, seven for bodily, seven for spiritual, and that these produce the polarization that we experience some time during the third-density cycle. This may be very poorly stated on my part. Am I close to correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You are correct in that you perceive the content of our prior statement with accuracy. You are incorrect in that you have no mention of the, shall we say, location of all of these concept complexes; that is, they exist within the roots of the mind and it is from this resource that their guiding influence and leitmotifs may be traced. You may further note that each foundation is itself not single but a complex of concepts. Furthermore, there are relationships betwixt mind, body, and spirit of the same location in octave, for instance: one, eight, fifteen, and relationships within each octave which are helpful in the pursuit of The Choice by the mind/body/spirit complex. The Logos under which these foundations stand is one of free will. Thusly the foundations may be seen to have unique facets and relationships for each mind/body/spirit complex. Only twenty-two, The Choice, is relatively fixed and single.