Vegans Must be Stopped!

[Monica]

I don't know what your trying to say. I'am arguing the way the article was written was doing more harm to the general view of vegans then good.

Are you referring to the bodybuilding page, or the whole website in general?

If you're referring to the whole website, I doubt that it's harming the cause at all, because it's just one among many thousands, and likely read by mostly vegans. But even if it did harm the 'view of vegans' I don't think vegans care much about how they're viewed. It's not about how we're viewed; it's about helping the animals.

And, if you're referring to the whole website, please remember that I posted a link to the page about the bodybuilding competition. This thread has taken off in another direction, to be about the whole website in general.

You literally just made my point for me, ineffective or no communication can lead to violence very significantly.

I misunderstood. I thought you were saying that Lincoln was more effective, since he succeeded in abolishing slavery, whereas vegans have, thus far, failed. Thank you for the clarification.

If Lincoln had the broadness of communication that we have today do you think he would have resorted to the style shown in the article?

I don't know about Lincoln specifically, but if humans were being kept as slaves for many centuries, and an active group of people had been working to free them for many decades but failed, yes, I'm quite sure some of them would have resorted to sarcasm, at the very least.

Lincoln was a good communicator he understood you needed to unite not separate,

I'd say war is kinda separating...

the article in question is inciting separation.

So? Why has this become about the style of the article? Isn't the violence of killing sentient 2D creatures a much worse offence?

Would anyone be complaining about the 'style' of the writing if someone used sarcasm to raise awareness about human slavery? Would anyone be saying "oh you are being divisive...let's not talk about human slavery...let's talk about your sarcasm" ?

Slavery of 3d beings is very different from the killing and eating of 2d beings to maintain the chemical body.

That's true. However, it's no longer necessary to kill and eat 2D beings to maintain the chemical body.

Thus, any killing/eating of 2D beings is based on desires for taste and convenience.

I used to say that there were some exceptions...some people who required meat because of unusual health conditions. But recently, I've learned that that's no longer true either. There are now solutions that help those with such metabolisms to succeed in thriving on a plant-based diet. With this new info, I now believe that anyone who wishes to avoid animal cruelty, can thrive on a vegetarian diet, if they are willing to make the effort.

Seeing it from the higher perspective is fine but constantly trying to apply the higher perspective gets you no were.

Really? So are you saying we shouldn't try to apply higher ideals?

Like it or not everything is ok

No, everything is not ok. Sure, everything is 'ok' in 6D and beyond, but right here right now, it's NOT ok. Look around you. The world is still pretty messed up. I'd say that's far from ok.

and all the suffering of every thing is not a big deal.

The ones who are suffering might not agree with that.

You can increase your suffering more if you wish, maybe that's your picnic.

Nope. I'm actually trying to decrease suffering. I choose the STO path...that means Service to Others. 2D animals are others.

Abraham Lincoln "I hold it to be a paramount duty of us in the free states, due to the Union of the states, and perhaps to liberty itself (paradox though it may seem) to let the slavery of the other states alone; while, on the other hand, I hold it to be equally clear, that we should never knowingly lend ourselves directly or indirectly, to prevent that slavery from dying a natural death---to find new places for it to live in, when it can no longer exist in the old."

Yes, Lincoln actually has a lot of critics. Apparently, they say, he really didn't care about the slaves at all...the civil war wasn't even about that. It was about politics and keeping the southern states from seceding. So I don't really consider Lincoln any sort of role model. He was a Wanderer, a walk-in, actually, but many of us are (presumably) Wanderers and yet far from perfect. Not only that, but we don't know whether this quote was from before or after he got walked in. It might have been the original soul who said that, not the Wanderer.


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