10-26-2013, 02:02 AM
I do not believe in an end, I believe in cycles. I don't disagree with what you say, but it still doesn't explain anything. How does presence have or gain intelligence?
Also, no, I do not believe "God" is anthropomorphic except when perceived as such from the self that is the Creator or God, that is, I believe we, as God, are capable of interacting with ourselves as God through anthropomorphized forms, but that is a lens of perception and not the complete nature, although in all things is contained completion.
My point is that memory is made through experience and all identity is made of memory. So at what point does memory become identity and where are the ends of identity? I can identify myself as infinity but I then, by default, am then identifying myself with nothing. Identity only has substantial experience in finite modes of experience.
All of this is to say that there is a point to polarity besides the avoidance of it. It is pointless to identify myself with unity because unity already IS, it isn't anything I am adding to myself or my experience, it is just what is already there. Unity is not something that defines identification, it is the spectrum within unity that allows identity to exist. If unity consisted entirely of sameness, then there would be nothing beyond identity, but the fact is that beyond identity there is awareness and presence.
What is the purpose of unity if anything can simply be anything? What is the use of a zero-sum game? If it is entirely about the experience of consciousness, then why does consciousness go through experience? I am not necessarily asking for these things to be answered, but they are things that come to my mind.
I have no desire to desire, but even that is a desire. The Yogis talk of "moksha" which means liberation and desire-lessness is considered to be liberation, however what is the nature of experience without desire or the dominance of an individually perceived will? What experience does the Creator seek?
If it seeks itself, then how does it not already know itself? This is like the way we use the brain to study the brain. Or the mind to study the mind. Why doesn't the brain already know everything about itself? Or if it does know itself, what is the relevance of our experience?
What I am trying to get at is that there is still a mystery that lies behind the "motives" of the Creator. If we are the Creator, then we also contain that mystery. We seek here to "experience all desires", but are we not really just seeking to explore the mystery of experience? Is not desire simply a vehicle for experience, a propulsion system? If so, then what is, ultimately, the use of individuated experience?
Also, no, I do not believe "God" is anthropomorphic except when perceived as such from the self that is the Creator or God, that is, I believe we, as God, are capable of interacting with ourselves as God through anthropomorphized forms, but that is a lens of perception and not the complete nature, although in all things is contained completion.
My point is that memory is made through experience and all identity is made of memory. So at what point does memory become identity and where are the ends of identity? I can identify myself as infinity but I then, by default, am then identifying myself with nothing. Identity only has substantial experience in finite modes of experience.
All of this is to say that there is a point to polarity besides the avoidance of it. It is pointless to identify myself with unity because unity already IS, it isn't anything I am adding to myself or my experience, it is just what is already there. Unity is not something that defines identification, it is the spectrum within unity that allows identity to exist. If unity consisted entirely of sameness, then there would be nothing beyond identity, but the fact is that beyond identity there is awareness and presence.
What is the purpose of unity if anything can simply be anything? What is the use of a zero-sum game? If it is entirely about the experience of consciousness, then why does consciousness go through experience? I am not necessarily asking for these things to be answered, but they are things that come to my mind.
I have no desire to desire, but even that is a desire. The Yogis talk of "moksha" which means liberation and desire-lessness is considered to be liberation, however what is the nature of experience without desire or the dominance of an individually perceived will? What experience does the Creator seek?
If it seeks itself, then how does it not already know itself? This is like the way we use the brain to study the brain. Or the mind to study the mind. Why doesn't the brain already know everything about itself? Or if it does know itself, what is the relevance of our experience?
What I am trying to get at is that there is still a mystery that lies behind the "motives" of the Creator. If we are the Creator, then we also contain that mystery. We seek here to "experience all desires", but are we not really just seeking to explore the mystery of experience? Is not desire simply a vehicle for experience, a propulsion system? If so, then what is, ultimately, the use of individuated experience?
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