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    Thread: The Paradox of Solipsism


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    12-19-2013, 10:20 PM
    (12-18-2013, 01:20 AM)truesimultaneity Wrote: i can't get solipsism out of my mind...pun intended...& i'd love to know every1's opinion on it that has one. (...)

    My opinion on this issue is that human beings are not capable of understanding the creation by reason. I believe it is something which has to be experienced/felt...

    I can give you some passages from the book "The Art of Loving" by Erich Fromm where he expressed this very beautifully:

    Quote:There is one way, a desperate one, to know the secret [Fromm means the secret of live, we could also say: The nature of creation]: it is that of complete power over another person; the power which makes him do what we want, feel what we want, think what we want; which transforms him into a thing, our thing, our possession.
    (...) The other path to knowing "the secret" is love. Love is active penetration of the other person, in which my desire to know is stilled by union. In the act of fusion I know you, I know myself, I know everybody—and I "know" nothing. I know the only way knowledge of that which is alive is possible for man—by experience of union—not by any knowledge our thought can give. (...) Love is the only way of knowledge, which in the act of union answers my quest. In the act of loving, of giving myself, in the act of penetrating the other person, I find myself, I discover myself, I discover us both, I discover man.
    The longing to know ourselves and to know our fellow man has been expressed in the Delphic motto "Know thyself." It is the mainspring of all psychology. But inasmuch as the desire is to know all of man, his innermost secret, the desire can never be fulfilled in knowledge of the ordinary kind, in knowledge only by thought. Even if we knew a thousand times more of ourselves, we would never reach bottom. We would still remain an enigma to ourselves, as our fellow man would remain an enigma to us. The only way of full knowledge lies in the act of love: this act transcends thought, it transcends words. It is the daring plunge into the experience of union.
    (...) The experience of union, with man, or religiously speaking, with God, is by no means irrational. On the contrary, it is as Albert Schweitzer has pointed out, the consequence of rationalism, its most daring and radical consequence. It is based on our knowledge of the fundamental, and not accidental, limitations of our knowledge. It is the knowledge that we shall never "grasp" the secret of man and of the universe, but that we can know, nevertheless, in the act of love.

    I strongly experienced this feeling of union with another person just one time I can remember. It's a feeling of melting together, of completely knowing the other person in this exact moment. It doesn't matter about what you talk. It can also experienced when you engage in art, science, being in the nature or else. You relate yourself to something, melt with it, become one - and become the creator. Like it was said above, staying in the moment is very important in this respect and according to Fromm, it is the possibility to know. I believe one important step in achieving this is letting go of fear...

    Fromm later goes into more detail about knowledge gained by thought (=reason). He discusses Aristotelian and paradoxical logic. I cannot post all here. If you want to read it, look on p. 72 and start reading there (send me a pm if you want the book). He concludes:

    Quote:I have discussed the difference between Aristotelian and paradoxical logic in order to prepare the ground for an important difference in the concept of the love of God. The teachers of paradoxical logic say that man can perceive reality only in contradictions, and can never perceive in thought the ultimate reality-unity, the One itself. This led to the consequence that one did not seek as the ultimate aim to find the answer in thought. Thought can only lead us to the knowledge that it cannot give us the ultimate answer. The world of thought remains caught in the paradox. The only way in which the world can be grasped ultimately lies, not in thought, but in the act, in the experience of oneness. Thus paradoxical logic leads to the conclusion that the love of God is neither the knowledge of God in thought, nor the thought of one's love of God, but the act of experiencing the oneness with God.
    (...) The emphasis on thought has also another and historically a very important consequence. The idea that one could find the truth in thought led not only to dogma, but also to science. In scientific thought, the correct thought is all that matters, both from the aspect of intellectual honesty, as well as from the aspect of the application of scientific thought to practice—that is, to technique.
    In short, paradoxical thought led to tolerance and an effort toward self-transformation. The Aristotelian standpoint led to dogma and science, to the Catholic Church, and to the discovery of atomic energy.

    Then you wrote:

    (12-18-2013, 01:20 AM)truesimultaneity Wrote: this current understanding of things makes me feel lonely. it makes me savor every moment i'm feeling separate...& these moments never last long. i'm always going to back to the mindset that there can only be me (aka the one infinite creator) here.

    this makes me not want to share the Law of One teachings bc i don't want to cause another to feel this loneliness that i feel when i think about infinite unity.

    so what i'm really hoping for here is that some1 can communicate something to me that makes me want to remove "solus ipse" from under my user name.

    So based on what I wrote, I think you shouldn't buy into this Aristotelian logic. You cannot explain the Law of One with it, creation will always remain mysterious and contradictory seen through these glasses. It also emphasises separateness. But as you know, we are all one. So relate yourself to something: Start again to tell others about the Law of One or do other things which you enjoy...
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    The Paradox of Solipsism - by godwide_void - 02-17-2012, 02:46 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Plenum - 02-17-2012, 03:33 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by drifting pages - 02-17-2012, 11:26 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by godwide_void - 02-28-2012, 12:05 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by charlie2012 - 02-28-2012, 03:11 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by godwide_void - 02-29-2012, 01:47 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by drifting pages - 02-28-2012, 08:55 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Ali Quadir - 02-29-2012, 07:17 AM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by drifting pages - 02-29-2012, 02:21 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by godwide_void - 02-29-2012, 02:41 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Unbound - 02-29-2012, 02:45 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by isis - 12-18-2013, 01:20 AM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Poet - 12-19-2013, 10:20 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Unbound - 12-18-2013, 04:50 AM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by isis - 12-18-2013, 04:58 AM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Unbound - 12-18-2013, 05:12 AM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by GentleReckoning - 12-18-2013, 11:41 AM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Spaced - 12-18-2013, 12:10 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by isis - 12-19-2013, 11:12 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by βαθμιαίος - 12-20-2013, 07:55 AM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Adonai One - 12-20-2013, 09:06 AM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Poet - 12-20-2013, 10:46 AM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Unbound - 12-20-2013, 12:34 AM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Unbound - 12-20-2013, 03:18 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Adonai One - 12-20-2013, 03:58 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by isis - 12-20-2013, 04:10 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Unbound - 12-20-2013, 04:17 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Adonai One - 12-20-2013, 04:24 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Unbound - 12-20-2013, 04:36 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by AnthroHeart - 12-20-2013, 05:04 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Unbound - 12-20-2013, 05:08 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by AnthroHeart - 12-20-2013, 05:18 PM
    RE: The Paradox of Solipsism - by Unbound - 12-20-2013, 05:29 PM
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