(06-22-2010, 07:14 AM)Namaste Wrote: Our higher selves (6D) are learning lessons through this 3D incarnation, and potentially 4D and 5D density entities. There is an idea that we have multiple simultaneous incarnations in these different densities, all learning different lessons in their own manner. This would make sense (including all of our past and future incarnations), considering there is really no such thing as linear time. All of it happens in the eternal now. I cannot wait for the lifting of the veil :¬)
entities that are from higher densities than 3 do not have higher selves. instead, the totality of their societal complex that they were a member of before coming here, acts as a higher self. at least this was what Ra said.
again on the point of there being no linear time - there is linear time in lower densities. time becomes less and less a factor towards the late 7th density. if there wasnt linear time, separation and similar concepts, there would be no physical existence, and there would be no learning/manifesting work done in that physical existence.
Quote:There is a key assumption in your statement that we, as 3D incarnations are supposed to be aware of higher density learning. In my personal - and subjective - truth, this is happening on it's own accord, and is not something the 3D incarnation should be concerned about. Our thoughts and efforts should be given to living with love and peace, and of being to service to others. That is how we aid the vibrations of Earth, and the progression to fourth density.
let me put it bluntly - if, you are, as of today, writing and discussing in a forum that is dedicated to Ra material, which is explicitly stated to be for the advanced, conscious seekers, and containing phenomenonal amounts of higher density information and learning, then it means, leave aside 'supposing' it, you were looking for that information, and you have found it. it is contradictory to have wandered about for such information, get it, read it, learn it, start discussing it and then say 'we are not supposed to'. it already has happened. you are here, you are doing it. according to law of responsibility, you should not step back and ignore what you have learned, and instead use it.
Quote:Without people - especially Wanderers, as thats our purpose - living with love and peace, the vibrations of the Earth will change to fourth density in a much 'rougher' manner. Not only that, no one would be harvestable.
The Great Cycle would fail and yield nothing. It seems you may be missing the point of this density - to choose; love or fear. One that choice is made, you continue to make decisions as best you can to support, and build upon, that choice. That is why we're here, that's all we need be concerned about.
each wanderer's own purpose is their own. its impossible to discern the purpose of each. most are already functioning in innumerable locations without ever wondering about things like Ra material or similar.
however, the stated side purpose, which they are also here to effect, is to lighten the planetary vibrations. for this to happen, they need to go to the highest vibration they can. not get stuck up on love vibration. the green ray, love energies are already coming through the earth, because of the increasing vibration, and it is as Ra said 'like the ticking of a clock'.
the problem on this world is, the difficult harvest being caused due to the extensive orange consciousness of the societal complex. ra said that this was causing heat that could not be used, and causing various earth crust movements.
and also, it is important to note that orange ray manifesting in 3d or higher in this fashion is possessive, like an overgrown child being possessive of the love of his/her mother. and if we add to that the fact that Ra notes that the 4d entity is ineffective against energy blockages or various other difficulties of entities, and prone to making wrong choices and getting possessed in relationships, that makes it even more important for all wanderers to raise their vibrations as much as they can, so that the planetary entanglements can be solved by the higher frequency energies.
Quote:Love is the key to progression, the driving force, the élan vital. Re-read the quotes from Q'uo in my previous post to confirm this.
i am again referring you to Ra in this, where they warned against mistaking love, green ray as the creator and worshipping it as if it was the creator itself, instead of a facet of existence.
moreover, what you mention there ignores all the other facets of existence. the very first being the red ray, the first, energy of movement and change. that being the equivalent of this octave's white, from the earlier octave. without it, nothing can happen, including love.
so with that approach one could easily say that movement and change is the key to progression, the driving force, the elan vital. because if it isnt there, nothing will be there.
Quote:If one is to concern themselves with higher density learning, which we cannot possibly comprehend with our limited third density minds, one may miss the point, and lessons, of third density. This could potentially result in another cycle of third density incarnations, until they are learned and accepted.
so then, why are you actually in the forum of a material that has that advanced higher density information ? all that wisdom stuff, working with chakras, detailed healing, meditation, and even the study of archetypal mind of this local logos ? the Ra material ?
if we cannot possibly comprehend with our limited third density minds, why did the Ra group have gone through all that effort to channel that information. and, leave that aside, why did Ra prepare such information and searched for such a group to convey that kind of advanced information in the first place ? was Ra naive to convey that information ?
huh ? isnt there a contradiction ?
you are talking as if all 4 books and all the information conveyed in them were 'love each other', 'make a choice'. it isnt. there is insane amounts of advanced teachings and information.
Quote:Ra specifically stated that the role of the Wanderer is to bring light and love to third density, there was no mention of being aware of higher density lessons. That is the entire point of graduating through densities, one at a time. If we were able to learn higher density lessons in 3D, there would be no need for different densities.
excuse me but you are again in confusion again. 'light and love' includes light, which means wisdom, which is the 3rd distortion, which includes all the advanced high density information that has been conveyed in the Ra material.
Quote:If one manages to connect to intelligent infinity, this may be possible, but is not a goal of this density.
first of all, this planet is not third density since 1937. at least, this is what Ra said. the green vibrations started then, and the entities who were activated for dual 3d/4d work started incarnating.
second, the goal of 3d entities is to advance in understanding of the fact that 'there are others than me, and im a separate entity', and then make a choice towards the end of 3d.
it is not the goal of any wanderer or higher density entity. they are, not of 3d. they cannot remake a choice.
thirdly, as long as a wanderer limits and forces himself/herself to behave like a 3d entity trying to make a choice in 3d, or an entity which forces itself to act as a 4d entity, s/he will not be able to contact intelligent infinity in a meaningful fashion for continued work.
at this point i would again like to remind that circa 1980, there were 65+ million wanderers incarnated on earth, almost all of which were from 6d, a few percentage being from 4d and other densities. ra also said that this was a recent trend. trend means, it continued, therefore we can expect the numbers be higher.
this again reduces the chances of entities not being of 6d, who are seeking the kind of information Ra offers.
and as a final note, it is contradictory to engage in discussions in a forum that is dedicated to the study of advanced information, and then to say 'these are not for our minds'. it is there. you studied it. it becomes a contradiction.