Quote:again on the point of there being no linear time - there is linear time in lower densities. time becomes less and less a factor towards the late 7th density. if there wasnt linear time, separation and similar concepts, there would be no physical existence, and there would be no learning/manifesting work done in that physical existence.
As far as I am aware, fourth density and onwards is of time/space, and hence time is not linear in fashion. As we progress we will experience the 'now', as that is all there is, but the past and the future will become less apparent, until we are fully in the moment. Again, this is my personal viewpoint.
Quote:let me put it bluntly - if, you are, as of today, writing and discussing in a forum that is dedicated to Ra material, which is explicitly stated to be for the advanced, conscious seekers, and containing phenomenonal amounts of higher density information and learning, then it means, leave aside 'supposing' it, you were looking for that information, and you have found it. it is contradictory to have wandered about for such information, get it, read it, learn it, start discussing it and then say 'we are not supposed to'. it already has happened. you are here, you are doing it. according to law of responsibility, you should not step back and ignore what you have learned, and instead use it.
It is evident we consider higher density teachings different things. I am referring to the lessons and experiences, while you are referring to specific information regarding the structure; it's description. I believe that we are understanding the higher densities in the context of a third density mind, and hence, extremely limited. Ra has mentioned that it's 'near impossible' to describe the higher densities in our language, and hence uses easily understood ideas.
Quote:each wanderer's own purpose is their own. its impossible to discern the purpose of each. most are already functioning in innumerable locations without ever wondering about things like Ra material or similar.
however, the stated side purpose, which they are also here to effect, is to lighten the planetary vibrations. for this to happen, they need to go to the highest vibration they can. not get stuck up on love vibration. the green ray, love energies are already coming through the earth, because of the increasing vibration, and it is as Ra said 'like the ticking of a clock'.
Agreed, Wanderers may indeed have a special purpose. I do recall a quote stating that living in love and peace was general to all Wanderers. I will try and find it.
The green ray energies are coming through yes, and have been for decades. It is the individual's task to open up and prepare for these energies. Just because the Earth has them, does not mean the individual does. There is a quote from Hatonn/Latwii (The Brown Notebook) which states that it is up to us to evolve, and to match the frequency of the Earth (4D - green) if we wish to remain with her.
Quote:i am again referring you to Ra in this, where they warned against mistaking love, green ray as the creator and worshipping it as if it was the creator itself, instead of a facet of existence.
I do not think anyone here is doing so, brother. Choosing love is the reason of this density, and those choices are supported by all aspects of one's consciousness centers/rays.
Quote:moreover, what you mention there ignores all the other facets of existence. the very first being the red ray, the first, energy of movement and change. that being the equivalent of this octave's white, from the earlier octave. without it, nothing can happen, including love.
Which is why the balancing of the lower rays is implicit in nature. One cannot make efforts to balance themselves in which to be harvestable if ignoring these issues. When one's ray is blocked, for example the yellow ray (dealing with other selves), energy cannot flow up to the heart/green ray, which is entirely necessary for fourth density graduation, as this gives the person added compassion, acceptance and understanding. This is why I originally pointed out a personality trait of yourself to defend your opinion with, what appears to be, frustration. It was done out of love, not judgment.
Quote:so then, why are you actually in the forum of a material that has that advanced higher density information ? all that wisdom stuff, working with chakras, detailed healing, meditation, and even the study of archetypal mind of this local logos ? the Ra material ?
if we cannot possibly comprehend with our limited third density minds, why did the Ra group have gone through all that effort to channel that information. and, leave that aside, why did Ra prepare such information and searched for such a group to convey that kind of advanced information in the first place ? was Ra naive to convey that information ?
huh ? isnt there a contradiction ?
Again my brother, we have different perspectives on higher density information. Yours is information learned from the Ra Material, understood with a third density personality. Mine is wisdom, which comes only from experience of the said densities. From my perspective, if wisdom can be learned in this density, then it is wisdom meant for this density. It all depends on how one perceives, and labels, the knowledge. Again, this is personal, and there is no right or wrong.
Quote:thirdly, as long as a wanderer limits and forces himself/herself to behave like a 3d entity trying to make a choice in 3d, or an entity which forces itself to act as a 4d entity, s/he will not be able to contact intelligent infinity in a meaningful fashion for continued work.
Quote:at this point i would again like to remind that circa 1980, there were 65+ million wanderers incarnated on earth, almost all of which were from 6d, a few percentage being from 4d and other densities. ra also said that this was a recent trend. trend means, it continued, therefore we can expect the numbers be higher.
Thank you. I would like to remind you that they we came here to help this planet - and specifically others - progress from third to fourth density.
Quote:excuse me but you are again in confusion again. 'light and love' includes light, which means wisdom, which is the 3rd distortion, which includes all the advanced high density information that has been conveyed in the Ra material.
Quote:and as a final note, it is contradictory to engage in discussions in a forum that is dedicated to the study of advanced information, and then to say 'these are not for our minds'. it is there. you studied it. it becomes a contradiction.
My brother, this will be my last comment in this thread of thinking, as we're covering repeated ground. Our views of what higher density information is is different.
Yours is intellectual understanding in context of a third density brain, mine is experience gained (wisdom) from experience in that density (and the ones below). One cannot gain wisdom in a density they are not focused upon.
Once the veil is lifted, we all may be gifted our full memories back, and hence the wisdom we have gained from 1D to 6D. Until then, it's an intellectual understanding by a limited 3D mind.
Quote:1ST DENSITY: The cycle of awareness
2ND DENSITY: Growth
3RD DENSITY: Self-awareness
4TH DENSITY: Love or understanding
5TH DENSITY: Light or wisdom (RA: We spent much time/space in 5th density balancing the intense compassion we had gained in 4th density)
6TH DENSITY: Light/love, love/light or unity (also frequently referred to as compassionate wisdom)
7TH DENSITY: The gateway cycle
We're moving from 3D to 4D, if one only tries to gain 5D and higher information, the reasons of this density incarnation may be missed. This is particularly important as we are here to help others. We can help others by helping them to open their hearts.
I feel there is no more to add from my perspective, I have attempted to explain my personal understanding to you via different routes, and appreciate your efforts in which to expand my own my own views. A great catalyst for learning.
Peace to you brother, I hope you find what you are looking for.