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    06-28-2010, 01:28 AM (This post was last modified: 06-30-2010, 11:25 PM by Monica.)
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    (06-27-2010, 07:22 PM)unity100 Wrote:
    (06-27-2010, 06:07 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: I do not remember such exactness in Ra's words; I remember generalities which gave a glimpse, but nothing concrete. Can you perhaps provide for me a couple examples of what you say Ra said about fourth density? something specific which will further increase my immediate awareness of such?

    http://lawofone.info/results.php?category=Densities

    combining these information with the properties of various colors, rays, energies, vibrations that correspond to 8 chakras, numerous identifications and definitions can be made regarding any base color, and their carried meaning/feeling/understanding.

    So what you are really saying is that you make, what you feel are, educated guesses... because I read, over and over again, as I said before, generalities in regards to specifics of the densities. If I may quote:
    Quote:16.44 Ra: We can only explain what is not and approximate what is. Beyond fourth density our ability grows more limited until we become without words.
    Quote:33.20 Ra: I am Ra. We may speak only approximately. However, we hope you understand, shall we say, that there is a distinctive difference in the color structure of each density.
    Quote:43:24 Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. However, the nature of this food is that of light and is impossible to describe to you in any meaningful way as regards the thrust of your query.

    As I asked before, can you provide any specifics to your statements or just guesses and assumptions?

    (06-27-2010, 07:22 PM)unity100 Wrote:
    (06-27-2010, 06:07 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: This is a beautiful concept, and one that I believe was capable of being manifested in the past. The present is less conducive to such, for there has been so much negative distortion to make such possible and acceptable. I have many people nowadays personally desiring for me to impart to them how I am able to remain in a state of what appears to them to be permanent bliss, yet I find that I think they would prefer a pill or medicine to knowing. Few do though water the seed of thought I place at their feet.

    situation is to the contrary. currently, and since a while, incarnations are being done on a seniority basis. the more advanced entities which are near harvest are entering incarnations. moreover, there are 65+ million wanderers. not to mention that there has been a lot of spiritual text, channelings, approaches, philosophies put forward, to make a lot of terms, understandings, concepts much more common and everyday.

    it has never been this easy to communicate anything spiritual in 3d on this planet.

    This is correct that there are more wanderers and those that have rejoined the incarnate experience in order to be harvestable for graduation, but these two groups percentage is small in comparison to the general other-self lower vibration population.

    (06-27-2010, 07:22 PM)unity100 Wrote:
    (06-27-2010, 06:07 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: You are correct that I may describe such, though as per your understanding of my description of my view of the One Creator, at its very core of being... has already proven this theory as being difficult to do, for you misunderstood and added context to what I said. The minute details and understanding which I garnered from the experience are such that I find them extremely difficult to explain accurately, and unless you experience the same, I can not begin to see how you would or could understand. I am not slighting you; I just don't see how you can fathom something that I think seems to you to be illusion, and that you clearly do not hold faith in, when to me this knowledge, understanding, and faith is absolutely real and unshakable.

    noone can understand anything, if you do not communicate or share, or even attempt to do these.

    If I told you I just saw David Rockefeller standing on his head in my bathroom and blowing bubbles with Hubba Bubba gum, would you believe me? You have a choice and can use discernment as to what is true to you. You know all the answers; you just have to ask the right questions, and I don't mean of me. Ask your higher self for the guidance you seek. You may be surprised at the help you are given.

    To add a few lines from Wiki...

    Things said to be essentially incommunicable
    * The innate properties of any form of perception, at any level (such as awareness, self-consciousness, or other perceptions of the perceived to an arbitrary extent)
    * The nature of qualia (sensory experiences), such as colors or flavors
    * The nature of emotions (with love being a prominent example)
    * The nature of religious experiences, e.g. Søren Kierkegaard's analysis of Abraham in Fear and Trembling, Problemata III, and in particular the mystic's realization of nonduality
    * The near-death experience
    * The experience of birth
    * The psychedelic experience is largely considered ineffable to psychologists, philosophers and psychonauts alike
    * The musical experience, following Theodor Adorno, Vladimir Jankélévitch, among others
    * The human soul (see also sentience and the hard problem of consciousness)
    * The Dao
    * Nirvana

    Things said to be incomprehensibly incommunicable
    * Pre-mortal-existence
    * Post-death
    * Some interpretations of God
    * Higher Dimensions

    Apparently you think I should explain the unexplainable so you can know what I know... it cannot happen brother....

    (06-27-2010, 07:22 PM)unity100 Wrote:
    (06-27-2010, 06:07 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: I would suggest that today's world is so much different than the world of two hundred and beyond years ago. Although knowledge was not so available as it is now, the state of consciousness of many was at a higher level than it is today. Today it is all over the board, as it were, and the vast majority of mbsc reside in the lower extremes.

    you are talking of 1760 AD. i read it again and again, and im not mistaken.

    then, your observation is erroneous. overall consciousness of entities on a given planet, actually any society, defines the nature of the life, qualities, nature, understanding of that society, or any given time of that society.

    When mass karma from previous experience has been brought into play, there is a cause and effect. It is so with Mother Gaia, for we know this has been an experiment in bringing so many otherwise unrelated and karmically laden entities together in one place. In this experiment, the very negatively polarized few have affected the many.

    Oh, and yes you are mistaken; I have never read the book you so assuredly think I was referring to. I have remembrance of parts of my past two incarnate experiences dating back to mid nineteenth century as well as other bits and pieces going back ~2000 years. I don't remember anything on mother Gaia before that though.

    (06-27-2010, 07:22 PM)unity100 Wrote: back 250 years ago and beyond, the equality of people wasnt even something that is propose-able in everyday life, and enslavement of different race entities was seen as proper and natural way of life. enslavement has been noted by Ra as one of the very important problems of this planet. yet, you are talking about higher consciousness in an era where majority of entities participating in it saw that as a normal, acceptable, and even 'good' thing.

    And what makes you suggest that slavery is not part of this planet today, not a "good thing" for those that desire it so? You know as well as I do that the vast majority of slavery is now consensual, rather than forced (though in parts of the world there is still forced slavery). For many, freedom is an illusion within the illusion unless realization that the illusion exists and a higher state of consciousness is present in which the entity understands there is no situation or other self that has any real power over it. This is a basic choice.

    (06-27-2010, 07:22 PM)unity100 Wrote: and that is taking the most 'advanced' ones of them even, not the entirety of world. also, im leaving aside ALL the other properties of mid 18th century society too. from debasing and demeaning of women, to the existence and 'god given right' of nobility, aristocracy to rule, a plainly negative concept.

    Your definition of advanced is obviously different than mine, though I will concede this point in terms of the majority of what might be called "the civilized world" were and continue to be barbaric in their treatment of other-selves.

    (06-27-2010, 07:22 PM)unity100 Wrote:
    (06-27-2010, 06:07 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: The same goes for infants. Although knowing little, having forgotten everything due to the veil, their state of consciousness is such that they reside at a state slightly below enlightenment. Knowledge and experience in this modern world, for the most part do nothing but reduce that.

    that approach is erroneous. an entity's consciousness is at the level of its consciousness, regardless of what kind of body it is in. it doesnt change with going back to time/space, or being unable to manifest itself through the chosen body in physical. being a child doesnt matter too. if the entity is in 4d as a soul, it is a 4d soul. if its 6d, it will is a 6d soul. that wont change with being an infant or anything else. it wont have any relation to any kind of enlightenment either - it will just maintain the nature and feeling of its own density, provided that it can vibrate in that frequency as mind/body/spirit in astral space, despite its body is crippled.

    I wasn't speaking of the level of the oversoul or mbsc in removal of distortion. You surmise incorrectly. The state of the mbsc consciousness fluctuates by the moment just as does the energy bodies. Yes, in the oversoul there are only minor changes, but at the mbsc level, these changes can go from, for example, peace, joy, love, reason, neutrality, pride, anger, desire, fear, grief, guilt, shame... from any one of these levels to another, in a moment, each being either more or less separated from the Creator. Nothing is without change, or as I came to the conclusion when a teenager, "The only thing that never changes is that everything is always changing".

    (06-27-2010, 07:22 PM)unity100 Wrote:
    (06-27-2010, 06:07 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: So, if I were to explain as such:
    Quote:And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

    so basically, you have seen a source of light, an entity that radiates light. this is what i understand from what you are saying.

    No, this is not what I was saying. If you desire instantaneuos perfect answers, you will not find them here. For instantaneous gratification, perhaps there is a fast food location near you...

    (06-27-2010, 07:22 PM)unity100 Wrote: leaving the fact that you cannot even start to communicate anything before attempting to communicate it, from what you said so far, what you describe can define both a 5d entity, or a 6d entity. both have in their nature and manifestation have the capability of manifesting as sources of light, and 6d entities' normal nature are sources of light, with a golden tint. ra said to don when queried, 'if we have manifested in our true form, you would perceive us as light'.

    Every physical vehicle contains light; not only in the higher densities.

    My inability in explaining... can you consider that it took me over 24 hours of contemplation just to come to the basic understanding of what I had witnessed? How do you possibley think I can express that in a mere few paragraphs? In reality, the memory has faded so that were I to begin to try to explain, there would be personal distortion in it, as is already evidenced.

    I took from that what was important; I saw the Creator alone in the darkness to becoming aware to having its first thought and what our scientists would call the "big Bang Theory", though there was no big bang. The movement of the One Creator outward was silent though swift. That is what I witnessed.

    Here is the thread I began when I had come to the understanding of what I had seen. You will note it is different to the time distorted view I remember now. http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=786

    (06-27-2010, 07:22 PM)unity100 Wrote:
    (06-27-2010, 06:07 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: I would say that one can be both, but that is incorrect. One IS both. One IS all. Only the perception of separateness exists. I understand this is paradoxical; it is meant to be. That is part of the illusion, THE reason for the implimentation of the veil, and the beginnings of coming to understand it as such.

    going to become a part of a mind/body/spirit totality in a future vantage point, will not change this fact, or make it an illusion to speak about - its real in your reality framework. what you call illusion itself is the building block of reality. the term, and word reality, is defined with whatever set of rules and laws created in a certain locale - basically illusion IS reality. those words are interchangeable, and illusion, despite the fleeting meanings that are loaded onto it to attempt to debase and lessen the importance of this particular reality, will not change that reality.

    A hammer can not kill me, for I am infinite and eternal. It can only make the illusory physical vehicle which I inhabit unviable. That IS reality. Having my physical vehicle become unviable never bothered me much the last two times. Why would it this time, no matter the cause? As I have heard it said, every death is a suicide, and this is truth.

    To paraphrase, "If you want to know if you have learned the lessons you came here to learn, here is the answer. If you are still here, you haven't".

    (06-27-2010, 07:22 PM)unity100 Wrote:
    (06-27-2010, 06:07 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: Only if you perceive it as such, and again, this is why the veil was implemented, so to give this perception.

    (06-27-2010, 06:07 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: I placed myself above nothing, stating you are the same, as we all are. If you know it then you you know it as truth, and if you do not, then it is the truth which you do not know. There is no wrong or right in this. It simply is.

    please refer to the above. it doesnt matter whether you put all of us in the same basket and talk about the lessened importance of illusion and the existence of illusion.

    all of us will die if someone hits us on the head with hammers with strong enough force.

    what 'simply is', is the hammer here.

    Your rays are showing brother.

    Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words.
    Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions.
    Be careful what you do, for your actions become your habits.
    Be careful what becomes habitual, for your habits become your destiny.

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