07-05-2010, 04:49 PM
While I find this side-discussion highly interesting and amusing, how does it all relate to the original post/topic?
Why is it amusing to me? Because what we have here is one infinite entity arguing with itself about the nature of itself, using the idea of finite steps/distortions, which is afterall infinite in scope and thus incapable of being pinned down.
Ra was attempting to disseminate concepts related to the nature of reality and infinity itself, through a highly distorted mechanism (channeling) which is further distorted due to the necessity of words which are the very definition of definition.
The idea of Intelligent Infinity and its distortions, happening in an order, is distorted already since "time" didn't yet exist. We can try to intellectually grasp all of these concepts and place it into a rigid framework but in the end it's ALL erroneous due to the infinite source from which it all springs.
When I say I am the Creator, it's clearly paradoxical because I'm saying it to the Creator, in the guise of a forum populated with co-Creators on a planetary Logos which created it, which is itself created by the Sun, which is created by the Galaxy, and we could see this going on infinitely. So if every "thing" is a defined part of the original infinite intelligence, we could call it Logos, in the sense of the original Greek definition of "word". A word is a name and a name is word. Things are logoic.
That being said, I also think it's safe to say that even though Intelligent Infinity is THE Creator, each Logos is expressing the Creator in its own unique way, and in the case of Logoii proper (as opposed to the logoic basis of "things") they are also Creators.
The problem with rigidly defining the products of infinity is that when you go back to the source it's all unified anyway and the definitions are the distortions. Infinity defines itself through its distortions, which is why I believe Ra is quite correct in saying that the Infinity is the Creation, because the illusion of finiteness which Creation necessarily exists by is a projection of infinity itself and is thus infinity in disguise.
Don't get me wrong, I love putting things in their place and grasping their unique nature, attributes, etc, as much as the next guy/gal. This is what logic and thus science does and I appreciate science for its ability to do so. What science cannot do however is fathom the truly infinite nature of all things because a holistic approach is needed to do so, and such holism includes that which cannot be known quantitatively.
I didn't intend to distort this thread even further off its topical track but I felt the need to step in and add some perspective to an issue which is ultimately fundamentally unresolvable from the POV of 3rd density.
/:idea:
Why is it amusing to me? Because what we have here is one infinite entity arguing with itself about the nature of itself, using the idea of finite steps/distortions, which is afterall infinite in scope and thus incapable of being pinned down.
Ra was attempting to disseminate concepts related to the nature of reality and infinity itself, through a highly distorted mechanism (channeling) which is further distorted due to the necessity of words which are the very definition of definition.
The idea of Intelligent Infinity and its distortions, happening in an order, is distorted already since "time" didn't yet exist. We can try to intellectually grasp all of these concepts and place it into a rigid framework but in the end it's ALL erroneous due to the infinite source from which it all springs.
When I say I am the Creator, it's clearly paradoxical because I'm saying it to the Creator, in the guise of a forum populated with co-Creators on a planetary Logos which created it, which is itself created by the Sun, which is created by the Galaxy, and we could see this going on infinitely. So if every "thing" is a defined part of the original infinite intelligence, we could call it Logos, in the sense of the original Greek definition of "word". A word is a name and a name is word. Things are logoic.
That being said, I also think it's safe to say that even though Intelligent Infinity is THE Creator, each Logos is expressing the Creator in its own unique way, and in the case of Logoii proper (as opposed to the logoic basis of "things") they are also Creators.
The problem with rigidly defining the products of infinity is that when you go back to the source it's all unified anyway and the definitions are the distortions. Infinity defines itself through its distortions, which is why I believe Ra is quite correct in saying that the Infinity is the Creation, because the illusion of finiteness which Creation necessarily exists by is a projection of infinity itself and is thus infinity in disguise.
Don't get me wrong, I love putting things in their place and grasping their unique nature, attributes, etc, as much as the next guy/gal. This is what logic and thus science does and I appreciate science for its ability to do so. What science cannot do however is fathom the truly infinite nature of all things because a holistic approach is needed to do so, and such holism includes that which cannot be known quantitatively.
I didn't intend to distort this thread even further off its topical track but I felt the need to step in and add some perspective to an issue which is ultimately fundamentally unresolvable from the POV of 3rd density.
/:idea: