Can the human infringe by doing the learning for another?

[Steppingfeet]

Dear Unity100,

Unity100 wrote: so, it is very important that anyone who can, should study advanced information earnestly, so that they can not only be stable and in the know when the time comes, and also can help others.

I certainly agree that studying “advanced” information can be a great boon to the student of spiritual evolution. Information certainly has consequences for us, and for those with whom we interact as a result of the information we have digested, and for anyone who encounters the information and reacts one way or the other to it.

However I believe you place too much emphasis on information. Take this excerpt into consideration:

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Ra: I am Ra. It is impossible to help another being directly. It is only possible to make catalyst available in whatever form, the most important being the radiation of realization of oneness with the Creator from the self, less important being information such as we share with you.

You and I both hold the Law of One material in very high esteem, considering it some of the most “advanced” material available to humanity. Yet Ra situations information, even that which they share, below the energetic radiation of being, below radiating the realization of oneness.

So if I were to say what others “should” be doing, I would say they need to discover new and deeper ways to open their hearts. I know that love is not the be-all-end-all of spiritual evolution, but love is at the center of all vertical, upward movement and, while information can certainly aid the entity in learning to love, the actual learning of love takes place completely outside the domain and scope of information. It happens in the moment through practice, fearlessness, and in relating to other selves.

Unity100 wrote: regardless of what it may cause, an entity should try to share as much information as s/he can, as a nature of the blue ray principles.

but, there are minor considerations, like, if the information you are going to share is going to be detrimental to your safety, or, others' safety, there are concerns of wisdom.

and naturally one should not go giving out messages to masses. you go to a rural village, and start talking about Ra material in the village square. grocers, cobblers stand by. what business do they have with it, and what are you doing in the middle of that village .....

then there are delicate considerations. as one works on and gets more and more advanced in this, s/he can easily sense what kind of information is beneficial and needed, and what should be withheld, while talking with someone. this is also a social skill. but, it is also an internal knowing. stronger connections to the depths of roots of mind, the easier the knowing and the flow.

I concur wholeheartedly that one should attempt to share their truth as you say in the first paragraph. An excerpt to this end:

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The best way of service to others is the constant attempt to seek to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the inner self. This involves self knowledge and the ability to open the self to the other-self without hesitation. This involves, shall we say, radiating that which is the essence or the heart of the mind/body/spirit complex.

BUT, as you go onto point out, one should do so with wisdom, with an assessment of the circumstance and a consideration for the ramifications of the sharing. This is certainly wisdom applied to love, how and when and to whom to share, and what to share, and in what intensity and in what frequency.

And, btw, thank you for exercising that blue ray and choosing to replying directly to the points raised in our discussion. Your original post to this thread contained great swaths of material whose relevance to the thread I could not easily discern.

Unity100 wrote: daily show is quite an important source of information indeed. and, jon seems to have quite a strong blue ray activity.

NOW I *know* you are an advanced soul. : )

Unity100 wrote: ra material has been a thorough plan it seems. firstly, it was done after a wave of spiritual energy influx (probably due to the wanderers again) 1960s. secondly, apparently (as we understand from past life mentions of the ll group from what Ra says) not only ll group but other wanderers also were incarnated to facilitate this plan, and not only once too. (for preparations). ra wandered about a lot of other groups and this group met the conditions.

One can always trace back a sequence of events which made possible that which is occurring in the present. Music, for instance. You could say that modern day gangbanger rap would not have been possible were it not for the hip-hop of the 80’s, which would not have been possible were it not for the R&B of earlier times, itself not possible were it not for the jazz of even earlier decades. (Someone with more musical knowledge could construct a *much* better analogy than I just did.)

Point being, just because there are a string of causal factors preceding an event does not necessarily mean that there was a master plan in place. As you said, everything ties into everything, one thing leading to the next, but that does not prove predestination or a plan other than that which is affected by the upward spiraling light.

Which is not to say that there wasn’t a plan for the Law of One material to manifest! There may well have been. Just that the string of events you listed does not prove the plan.

Unity100 wrote: basically we can say that Ra material was probably one of the most complete, coherent and already-put-together direct information that was brought to this planet (in the last 25,000 years at least).

That’s my understanding*.

*as far as we know

Unity100 wrote: heh. it actually points to the inevitability of creating a dysfunctional, problematic 3d planet which can blow itself at any time point unless hordes of wanderers do not incarnate to prevent it through innumerable means. giving out muddled information, in an experience which is already muddled by some veil contraption.

I understood the waves of wanderers as happening in general to help with harvest. I didn’t consider that waves of wanderers may have also incarnated just to keep the planet viable before the harvest, that is, to help third density not blow itself up. Definitely feasible!

Unity100 wrote: remember that, despite an incarnated wanderer's body is 3d body, its soul and mind are still its own. so basically, in the mind/body/spirit complex, only the body complex changes.

Unity100, I really think you’re mistaken here. Third-density entities, as you know, are under the influence of the veil. The veil is a function of the mind complex (and naturally has consequences for the body complex). So there are most definitely changes to the mind complex of the wanderer as the veil descends and becomes rather opaque (though semi-permeable).

Unity100 wrote: wanderer is still a higher density entity. its mind probably has deeper connections to roots of mind, its spirit is still vibrating with the density of its own in its core.

The “wanderer” is that entity within third density. The wanderer, by definition, has (for a time span) given up its identity almost completely in order to be of service. It thus becomes a wanderer through this sacrifice. If the sixth-density entity remained a sixth-density entity, serving Earth as a sixth-density entity, with sixth-density knowledge, it would not be a wanderer. Such a case would be like an American doing Peace Corp service in Sudan who always retains his citizenship, his bank account, his vaccinations, and anything else that separates him from the Sudanese, and does not become a Sudanese.

Were the Peace Corp like being a wanderer, the American would have a memory wipe, losing all sense of being an American and everything that came with the American identity - family and friends included - and somehow be re-born to a Sudanese woman, becoming fully Sudanese. Deep, deep down in the mind, on the other side of the veil would exist the real identity along with the desire to serve.

It would only be hoped that that desire to serve would be of such strength and purity that it would come through the Sudanese incarnation and be put into effect.

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Unity100 wrote: this seems to be Ra's particular concern. they also note that while in egypt, if they were doing 1 unit of effect with their words, they were doing 10 units of effect with their presence, or something like that, due to their manifestation.

so, it was basically an infringement like this ; 'i dont understand or cant fathom or maybe dont want to accept what is being said, but the entity is manifesting as X (insert higher density manifestation feat here), so, i should accept'.

Nice summation!

Bring4th_GLB wrote: So you are saying that the fact that wanderers (at least those named in the Law of One) tend to pursue scientific and/or spiritually oriented paths is evidence of the fact that the wanderer has easier access to subconscious information?

Unity100 responded: this seems to be the case for the 200 year something wanderer wave Ra talks about. basically either ideas of equality and freedom, and technological advancement were perpetrated in that time period as far as what we know from history. also, the examples of a few wanderers we know by name fits this well. (franklin, jefferson, tesla). the aim, seems to be freeing people from enslavement, and giving them free time to be able to use their mind for things outside of surviving.

Okay, let’s go over this one again if you don’t mind.

Your basic assertion is this: wanderers incarnated in waves in the 1700’s with the general mission of offering a philosophy which upholds the freedom of the individual. The basic reason behind this mission was to free entities from the drudgery of their day in order that they might have time and opportunity to contemplate spiritual evolution.

I agree. But if I understand you correctly, you are saying that the fact that these wanderers came and fulfilled their function (however imperfectly) means that wanderers have greater access to their subconscious minds. Right?

If so, I am disagreeing on the basis that what you are witnessing is the wanderer following through with pre-incarnational programming in the course of their incarnation. Third-density natives do the same thing every day. In partnership with their higher selves they, prior to incarnation, made choices about their own missions they wanted to fulfill on planet Earth while incarnate, missions that may be coordinated with a larger plan of similar-minded souls. When and if they do follow through with that pre-incarnational programming, it does not necessarily mean that they have access to the subconscious that others do not have in potential.

GLB previously wrote: In my understanding, Ra divides the function and purpose of the wanderer along these three broad lines:

1) Lightening the planetary vibration through the doubling affect of love and light
2) Serving as “beacon” or “shepherd”
3) Offering the outer gifts of service unique to the individual wanderer

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The first and most important two roles of the wanderer indicate not that the wanderer is here to disseminate “information” (though an individual wanderer may certainly do so), but rather to disseminate energy, to open the heart, breathe, and allow the Creator’s love and light through.

Unity100 wrote: notice that these can all be done through existing biases of the society, or, outside those biases.

Not following your point here. Isn’t that obvious to say that any third-density entity, wanderer or not, works within or outside of existing societal biases?

Unity100 wrote:i would replace 'the creator' with 'we'. and i would take it as 'have we, the birds included in that 'we', decided together that the birds survive the storm ? have we, rock and the river included, decided together that the rock will be worn out by the river ? and so on.

Makes sense.

Unity100 wrote:very simple. would a person who is not willing to risk the possibility of death, or not willing to let go of the firm ground under his/her feet, become a stunt pilot ? would it be logical for that person, saying that s/he would accept no chances of death, or, s/he wants to fly, but also wants to have the firm ground under his/her feet while flying ?

Any seeker who invests himself fully into the spiritual path, whether using the Ra Material or the teachings of the Buddha, will at some point arrive at the necessity for death, whether in a life-shattering, life-changing way, or through the gradual process of many small deaths. Usually, however, we are not quite “willing” to let go of everything that death entails, thus the suffering involved. Dropping cherished identity roles – even if they are full of misery – is no easy thing to do.

What you describe is also the action of living life by faith, voyaging out into the unknown and being comfortable with not knowing, floating or flying, as it were, in mid-air with no ground beneath, nothing solid upon which to stand. Many if not all of us here on these forums are in that situation, I believe, of living or attempting to live by faith alone.

Unity100 wrote:it wouldnt. thus, anyone who is after Ra material should be willing to go openly as far as they can, and not to prevent anyone else who wants to go further, from going further.

I don’t think anyone here would begrudge another advancing along the path. With advancement should come humility and the radiation of unconditional love.

Unity100 wrote: i dont think spiritual quest is a solo one.

You’re right in the real sense of the word. All those things you list do accompany the seeker. By “alone” I meant that no one can learn your lessons for you and no one can bear the burden of your experience but you.

Unity100 wrote: the situation in this forum is much better due to care from participants and caretakers though.

Hey, I’ll take the compliment!

GLB previously wrote: Maybe you’re right about the consequences which such actions have for others, maybe you’re wrong. But why so concerned? Isn’t the self our domain and jurisdiction? Work on the self, I say, work on the self and let others be as they are, so long as they are not infringing, or, in the case of the forums, violating the guidelines.

Unity100 wrote:i believe there is 'us'. the failure of someone else, is failure of self, and the failure of self, is the failure of everyone else. though we cant grab entities by the throat and make them succeed, we should maintain some level of concern for everyone, actually everything.

Unity100, I see compassion in that heart of yours.

I can see how my statement might sound cold. I agree with you that we should indeed maintain concern for everyone, for we are them and they are us, and we are one. Like Ra uses the analogy of a pain being felt in ones own body when the suffering of planet Earth is perceived.

I didn’t mean to say that we should not care, or should not attempt to serve others to our utmost, only that in the end we can only be responsible for ourselves and must accept where others are at, for if it arises in this moment, it is sacred and perfect.

Unity100 wrote: i tried to mean various things about the law of responsibility. anything that these entities who are going around in Ra material like a hobby can encounter. from psychic attacks to metaphysical occurrences, this and that. any potential consequence, some of which can have quite an impact.

Thank you for clarifying. Have you met in person many a Law of One student?

In my limited experience, students of the Law of One tend to be very solid, well-rounded individuals who are wise enough not to dabble to the extent that they get themselves into trouble. As a general rule of thumb, that is. Always exceptions, there are.

Unity100 wrote: i also think that Ra is way too sensitive, and the understanding of this locale's logoi is way too contradictory in regard to this free will business :

I understand you’ve got solid thinking behind these conclusions, but personally, I refrain from formulating conclusions regarding the thinking of the Logos. The heart of the path to me involves acceptance of what IS, whatever that may be. Critiquing the Logos is not a productive use of my own energies.

This is not willful ignorance, it is the key to advancement as I understand it.

Btw, there’s something that I read of yours earlier which mentioned that since certain information is in the Ra Material, then it must be knowable and worthwhile and we should consider it.

I would contend that, while the heart of the message is always present in what Ra has to say, and that even in the most technical excerpt there is something to be gleaned, there is information that is frankly not very useful to the mystical quest for unity. Its presence does not connote its significance, it only denotes the fact that Don Elkins wanted to ask about it.

Love and Light to you,
GLB