Why I am not a vegan

[Parsons]

PPS: I don't get how anyone doesn't find the "let the rabbits wear glasses!" line to be hilarious. :p

Maynard is clever, intelligent, and a great lyrics writer. I totally respect him as an artist (Sober is one of my all-time favorite songs), and I understand your intention to inject humor.

Try to look at it this way: Most humans only have compassion for humans, really. If you substitute the words in Tool's song to include any cruelty to people, it doesn't stand up—the emotional reaction would change. We are distanced from relating to animal suffering because of a difference in species. So we can look upon plants and animals and the planet and everything "not us" with some amount of detachment. It is like finding out a friend has cancer. You might be devastated, but not as devastated as you would be if it were you, or someone extremely close such as a wife you are really attached to. The degree to which humans react is in proportion to how close the subject is to them personally.

The above is based on general statements about humans. If there are any light beings in the room, I'm sure you are above 3D behavior.

The problem with injecting humor here is that cruelty is involved. Maynard's observations of human behavior are about humans and their follies. The point of this thread is about being vegan and why. Cruelty is the underlying motivation for people such as myself. So while I can appreciate Maynard's humor, it doesn't lighten my mood. Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on........but it is NOT all necessary.

If you have found a way to not feed on life to survive, by all means, fill me in. Plants are alive, are they not?

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Your intent? So do you think intent is important? Is it important that I understand your intent and not misrepresent you?

Um, sure... But that sounds like a loaded question.

Ok, so you agree that intent is important. Why, then, are you ignoring my stated intent, in favor of twisting it? Why do you accuse us of trying to control you, after we have repeatedly stated that that is not our intent?

STS is about control. You're trying to save the animals, but attempting to control humans as you do so. Sounds kind of STS to me. (Yes, that is sarcastic. Figure I should specify since everyone seems to take that s*** seriously.)

Nope. Not trying to control anyone at all. Not my motivation. It may look the same to you, but it's not the same at all. My motivation is only to help the animals.

I couldn't control what others do anyway, even if I wanted to.

There is conscious intent and subconscious intent, which don't necessarily agree. The easiest way to recognize subconscious intent is to recognize the mirror of repeating catalyst.