(10-02-2014, 03:13 PM)Unbound Wrote: "necessary" is decided by whom?
Numerous scientific studies have proven that meat is NOT necessary for humans. Even the mainstream medical establishment acknowledges this. Even they say that a vegetarian - even vegan - diet is more than adequate for humans.
Some people might think they need meat, but science doesn't support that at all.
(10-02-2014, 03:13 PM)Unbound Wrote: Also, yes, your views, at least as far as humans go, are black and white - "veggies good, meat bad". This is convoluted because it is not, in fact, so straight-forward so the presentation as such is misleading.
I have posted enough on this topic to write a book. To reduce all that to 'veggies good, meat bad' is laughably absurd. It's simply false and if you actually took the time to read what I have written on this topic over the last several years, you wouldn't be making such an outrageous statement. Disagree all you want, but you can't accuse me of presenting this issue as overly simplistic. It is to us vegetarians, but obviously it isn't to the meat-eaters, and we've been going round and round, exploring every possible nook and cranny, every possible nuance, in this topic, for several years.
(10-02-2014, 03:13 PM)Unbound Wrote: That's what really bothers me about your approach is that you act like it should be obvious, when it isn't. This is a constructed belief.
Watch both videos.
Standard Practice (1 minute)
Garden Harvest (1 minute)
Is it not obvious?
(10-02-2014, 04:36 PM)Unbound Wrote: I guess my real argument is that someone doesn't have to be vegetarian to be a compassionate, loving individual and care about suffering or its alleviation. To label everyone who eats meat as not that as such is to lack compassion for those individuals.
We have never done that, and in fact went out of our way to say the opposite.
(10-02-2014, 04:47 PM)Unbound Wrote: How do you know your own compassion was not developed through life-times of fear?
Maybe it was. But inflicting fear is the job of STS entities, not STO. Somebody's gotta do the dirty work. But as Qu'o said, that is a bloody path...there are those who prefer it...we are not those.