Why I am not a vegan

[Shemaya]

I had hoped...but that doesn't seem to be the case, at least not the Law of One students here at B4.

Hi Monica , is that's what you really think about people here at bring4th forum?

I just think here are spiritual seekers who are trying to make sense of a world and society that is very misaligned from their true-natures. And having found the Ra material, they study it because it helps them to understand. And coming to the forum, they hope to connect with and meet others who are like-minded.

Yes, but that's because of the misinterpretation of the term acceptance. It doesn't mean lethargy/apathy/non-action/no choice as is commonly believed. Choice is part of the equation.

Choices are made based on awareness and freedom.
I think our freedom of choice is very limited on this planet; I think however we can continually push forward to freedom though. The apathy comes from being in a state of perceived oppression, which if you look around at our society, clearly people are oppressed on many levels.

Those of us on the STO path, who choose to radiate and expand our connection to God, and expand infinite energy/intelligence / ie the Kingdom of God on this planet rather than continue in a disconnected and "Babylon" system, we are the ones who have to make the changes and take the action steps to create 4D. It is our work on clearing our own blockages within that will manifest the outer changes as most of us know.

Yes!

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Surely, those who have tirelessly advocated for non-violence are leading the way towards this reality. I think anyone who is on the STO path would agree to that. That is pretty much a given, right?

One would think. I sure did. But no, such is not the case, at least not as indicated by the discussions here.

Well maybe that is something to focus on, the concept of non-violence?

Could it not also be said that the outward violence is a manifestation of the violence we personally contribute to?

We all personally contribute to violence. If we can't see that, than we are kidding ourselves

On this basis, no child under the age of 5 will ever reach retirement age. It is mathematically impossible.

See his whole lecture here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5XX35L4fmQ#t=10

I haven't had time to watch this, so can't comment.

and developed purely for PROFIT. That is the culprit, imo. To reduce the responsibility of violence towards animals to enculturated "taste" is a bit shortsighted. We can't solve the problem by blaming each other for being less than our highest potential. We see what can happen there, it just devolves into a back and forth tit for tat argument that goes in circles, an expenditure of energy that may be worthwhile to put to other uses.

On that vein, ie. the food industry is violent, recognize the violence everywhere in the food industry. Migrant workers are totally and completely exploited for profit. Women are sexually harassed, men women and CHILDREN are exploited in poor working conditions for little money, being exposed to dangerous chemicals and other dangers. The agri-business is huge and designed to be profitable (rather than nurturing, sustaining, and loving). It's a violent system that we have established on this planet, and violent on many many levels, in thoughts words and deeds.

Yes, the whole system is violent, including plant production. Many of us are working to change that by growing our own food as much as possible, and supporting local farmers' markets. That is a huge movement.

But it's important to remember that the vast majority of food crops are used to feed farm animals.

To stop eating meat is the obvious first step.

Well I would think that actually the first step is more foundational than that because it starts in the mind. Agreeing to non-violence in thoughts, words and actions would be a first step imo. And then making effort and steps to being in integrity with oneself.

Also recognize that we are all part of the whole and contributing to a violent system. If you knew that the lettuce and cucumbers you were eating were harvested by a young girl about 12 years old who was depressed and thinking suicidal thoughts as she harvested the veggies for 9 hours in 99 degree temp, while a small plane overhead sprayed pesticide, how would you feel about the fresh vegetables your were eating? Would you think they were contaminated by bad energy or less nourishing or less spiritual? Have you thought about these kind of injustices?

I am pretty sure you probably have and make a lot of effort to be in integrity with yourself, but still despite all that effort, still there is personal contribution to violence.

It's so bad that it can feel almost hopeless that anything we do will change it.

The question is: Is all this too little too late?

I hope not. But what I know for sure is that we have to change many things for our society to be 4D. I think if we make steps towards that, commit to non-violence it will manifest in many ways, with our food choices being one of them. We will produce and consume food that is nourishing, holistic, sustainable, free of violence and within a context of a loving society, rather than a society that runs on a "for profit" value system. That's is the hugest problem from what I can see.

It makes total sense to grow our own foods and buy from farmer's markets...that seems to be a second step to me. I think coming down on the small farmers who raise chickens and other farm animals is shooting ourselves in the foot. The PTB love to see discord, division, opposition fighting one another. If you pit the "meat-eaters " against the vegetarians, then they can fight one another waste a lot of energy arguing with one another, meanwhile the smoke and mirrors provides the capitalistic for profit system a cover to keep grinding it's way to destroying our planet.

I think we should come to an agreement and be on the same team as people for a better society based on love and compassion, rather than the almighty dollar.