Why I am not a vegan

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Taken from the Q'uo quote Spaced posted:

In a very real way, it is as much of an offense, one may say, to pluck a bean or dig a potato from the ground as it is to slaughter an animal, for you have interrupted the cycle of its life and its dancing with the Creator as you do so.

Strictly speaking, when looking at one aspect of this statement and one only, it is true. If the potato plant just lives, produces fruit, and the fruits die in the ground, and then the plant dies, the plant has been left to its own natural cycle. But, has anyone harvested a potato? I have. It's part of the root system and you can dig out a potato and the plant keeps producing and living.

In my opinion, Q'uo's statement is misleading and frankly ridiculous, and I don't agree with it. Some may revere any channeled messages thinking the information is somehow better than our own. It's not that the sentiments in the whole quote, and session, were not of value. But to say these things—slaughtered animals and plucked beans—are the same is simply not true.

The life cycle of a plant is HEPED by taking it's fruit or seed. Even bees help this process by spreading the pollen. Without bees, and humans have interrupted that life cycle to a dangerous point, the plants will disappear. (Would it make sense to just destroy everything but wish it love and transmute the suffering after? Why not just not destroy and still wish it love?) Plants are able to live on and have children because an ambulatory being takes the food they are offering. It's symbiosis—win-win. You cannot take a part of an animal and the animal lives or thrives—try cutting off a leg.

To say it's the same is irresponsible in my opinion. Humans can be easily lead.

What do you think happens to the souls of all the animals who are slaughtered? Are they just hoarded somewhere, traumatized and in need of healing?

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Okay, so what is the bad thing about ingesting those things? What do you mean by "weighed down"? How does your body, mind and spirit take on that suffering or process that energy?

Those questions are all from the perspective of 'me.'

Come to think of it, most of the comments from the meat-eaters have all been from the perspective of 'me.' Here are some examples of the recurring themes:

I like the taste of meat
I can just bless the meat and it won't bother me.
How will eating meat affect me?
You are trying to control me.
I eat meat and you can't stop me.

Are you saying we are eating their souls?

No, their souls live on...traumatized.

How is that different from eating plants?

Tear some leaves off a lettuce plants.

Tear a leg off a cow with your bare hands and teeth only.

Compare.

Also why is predator/prey behaviour "lesser" than whatever behaviour you apparently exhibit by ingesting only plants?

What do you think of humans' predatory behavior? Is it ok for a human to prey upon a smaller, weaker human? Is it ok to hurt a child, for example?

I would add that just because "spiritual leaders and gurus" do something doesn't in any way mean it is the "right" thing to do.

I would agree in the case of phony religious leaders, but genuine spiritual leaders tend to teach love, peace, forgiveness, nonviolence and compassion. These same themes recur again and again, in all the higher spiritual teachings, including the Law of One. That is significant.

Holy hyperbole, no offense, but I don't have any desire to respond to you.

As you wish!

I know you're just trying to make a point, but you come across so fanatical and ridiculous that I feel like I'm hitting my head against a wall with every response.

Oh, you feel that too?

Do I seem fanatical because I keep repeating the same thing over and over? Here is why I do that:

Because, to me, understanding that animals suffer is just soooooooo basic. Knowingly, unnecessarily contributing to cruelty is NOT in alignment with the STO path. That is just sooooooo basic.

To say "oh but I like meat" is just like saying "oh but I like hurting that child." It is based on mememememe and completely disregards the victim.

STO means Service to OTHERS. It's about OTHERS.

Hurting others isn't STO.

It's very simple, and when otherwise intelligent people still don't get that, then yeah, I try to dumb it down...make it simple to understand, and apparently you perceive that as fanatical.

There are only so many ways we can explain this. I think we've pretty much exhausted those ways.

If, after all that, you still honestly don't see a difference between tearing apart a cow and harvesting some lettuce, then there really isn't any point to talking about this. I don't intend that as judgment towards you so please don't take it that way. It simply is what it is. If you don't think the 'other' entity's feelings are important, but only your preference for 'taste' is what matters, or you don't feel compassion for them, or you don't think it matters whether one chooses STO or STS, then you are entitled to your choices. But I leave my comments because others might benefit from the discussion.

Thanks, but no thanks, we do not get anywhere discussing these particular things, I am opting to discuss with others instead. I am well aware of your perspective and it does not need to be reiterated to me at this point in time.

Agreed! And the same to you!

Why did the Logos design the world like this in the first place? By it's very nature the world seems unjust and quite cruel. It seems to breed bellicosity and aggression. Why is the world the way that it is?

Good question. I intend to complain loudly when I get a chance to talk to the Logos. Their 'experiment' totally sucks, in my opinion. Would you like to join me?

Once again, your insinuations as to my character with hints of "Well if you don't feel that way, and you don't care about the feelings, it's not my fault you're STS, blah blah blah" is obtuse and completely ridiculous.