Why I am not a vegan

[Monica]

No Monica, you totally misunderstand. I did not say that because you speak out for animals. In fact I said that I admire your strong heart for what is right and good. I said what I said because of your method of argument and debate. It seems to me that you are not that open to other viewpoints in this subject. Am I wrong about that? So being closed ,in my view, is like being rigid.

Is it 'rigid' to stand firm that rape and murder are wrong?

Ok, if you want to use the word 'rigid' for people who think murder and rape are wrong, then fine, I am 'rigid' that eating meat isn't necessary for human health, and to eat meat anyway, while being aware of the cruelty, is STS.

OK, I will admit to that, along with being 'rigid' that murder, rape, pedophilia, war, and other atrocities are also wrong.

It is fashionable here at B4 to say "there is no right or wrong' because Ra said that in 6D there is no right or wrong.

We aren't in 6D. We are in 3D. Here, some things are wrong (for an STO entity anyway).

Knowingly contributing to the suffering of other entities is wrong.

What does 'wrong' mean?

In Law of One vernacular, it means STS for an STO being. (What is wrong for an STO might be right for an STS.)

Beyond that, there is a lot of wiggle room. I'd say Diana and I have been pretty damn accommodating and patient, even flexible. You seem to forget that we are the minority here and in the everyday world. We must deal with meat-eaters every single day. We must see bloody body parts of our friends every time we shop at the grocery store or eat out at a restaurant, or even watch tv.

And we must keep our mouths shut most of the time, if we wish to still function in society.

Cut us some slack. We have to put up with a whole helluva lot more than you do, yet we maintain courtesy, without insulting anyone directly like you do.It's a delicate balancing act we must perform, every single day. Hell yeah we are firm in our stance that unnecessarily eating meat is wrong. WRONG!!!

If you think we are like born-again fundamentalists for having that conviction, that is your perception and you know what? I frankly don't care. It's getting old.

The meat discussions always, always, always end up at this point. Meat-eaters cannot seem to discuss the topic, but ALWAYS end up turning the discussion around to insulting the vegetarians. They always end up making it about US instead of the topic at hand.

You know what? Even if we WERE narrow-minded, rigid, fundamentalist, controlling, delusional, mindless zealot, bigoted, and all the other insulting things we've been accused of, SO FUCKING WHAT? That still does not change the fact that meat-eaters are doing something that is CRUEL and UNnecessary.

Meat-eaters can dance around this all day long but it's not gonna change.

Meat-eaters can keep pointing the finger at us, but their other 4 fingers are pointing back at themselves.

At any rate, no sense in discussing further. You are obviously not interested in feeding hungry children in Africa

You know, I had felt ZERO emotional charge this whole time, even when Parsons called me a bigot. I actually laughed at the absurdity of his ridiculous insult.

Until now.

I confess you have finally succeeded in getting a rise out of m e. HOW DARE YOU say I am not interested in feeding hungry children????

To say that out of the blue...when we weren't even talking about starving children...it is clear that your intention was to insult. I mean, WTF???? WHERE did that even come from?

That is extremely obnoxious and offensive!!! Especially when you KNOW that the meat industry is a major factor in causing the food/sustainability crisis in the first place! When forests are being cut down at an alarming rate to satisfy humans' lust for flesh, at the expense of the indigenous peoples' natural habitat....when you KNOW that it takes many orders of magnitude more resources of water and other resources to produce 1 lb. of meat as compared to a lb. of plant food...when most of the world's food is being fed to farm animals instead of to starving children!

Save Starving Children - Quit Eating Meat

And I have stated these things repeatedly.

For you to now say such an outrageous thing...projecting ANY lie onto me is offensive, but this is exceptionally offensive.

If you want to be treated with respect, then be respectful yourself. I can respect the person overall while still disagreeing about the meat issue. But I have zero respect for people who did what you just did, or what Parsons has done also.

Congratulations! You finally pissed me off. And you have completely derailed this thread. Are you happy now?

Additionally, you keep comparing what you are doing here on a random internet forum to abolitionists and civil rights activists. Really no comparison, they did much much more than debate with people on an internet forum. They showed up marching in places like Washington, made huge sacrifices to make the changes they believed in. They were able to convince others by the power of their love and compassion in action ( not by empty verbage) to make societies needed changes. In fact in the civil war 750,000 people died! Sacrifice! If you are going to invoke those powerful social movements get some oomph behind it and get involved to make the changes needed. March on Washington, call your legislators, get those feedlots and torturous factory farms abolished. That is something I could get behind for sure. But this endless unfruitful dialogue is no where near the sacrifices those people made for their causes.

That too is offensive. So you were trying to trap me, eh? When you asked what else I am doing, apparently that isn't enough, so now you are telling me other things I should also be doing?

In the first place, they didn't have an internet back then. If they had, they surely would have used it.

Secondly, I DON'T ANSWER TO YOU. I intentionally did NOT tell you all that I do, because I knew you'd pick it apart. I told you some of what I do, in an effort to give you the benefit of the doubt. You just proved your true intentions in asking me what I do. None of your business what sort of activism I do! Did you really think I was going to tell you everything? Think what you like. You're not down here in the trenches working for this cause, and don't even agree with the cause itself, so you have no business judging what we do. Again, HOW DARE YOU even begin to judge my activism! and say it doesn't compare to what other activists did, while at the same time arguing against the very cause itself. I mean really, what balls you have!

Thirdly, this forum is supposedly inhabited by 'Wanderers' though I seriously doubt that anymore. So-called 'spiritual' people ought to be able to understand simple concepts like cruelty and compassion.

But ironically, most vegetarians/vegans have never even heard of the Law of One, yet they get it - they 'get' the concept of compassion towards animals!! while most people here don't.

So maybe you are right about that part. Maybe this is a supreme waste of time.

But no, I don't think so, because the meat threads consistently get the most hits out of all the discussions here at B4.

There are usually only a handful of meat-eaters defending their actions and insulting us, but obviously there are MANY lurkers.

It is for them that I continue, not for those who continue to defend that which cannot be defended.