Why I am not a vegan

[Monica]

When I said "It's all speculation" I was including myself in that. We are ALL speculating about what plants feel.

But there is NO speculation about animals. We KNOW they feel pain and fear. That isn't speculation; that is fact.

Again and again, we come back to this. There is evidence that supports that flora responds to physical threats and/or damage, but it is inconclusive (so far). From there, you make a pure assumption that the flora does not feel pain or fear.

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I never said any such thing. I never said plants don't feel pain or fear. WHY do you twist my words?

That is your choice to assume that, and that's perfectly fine; I support your choice. But you then project this assumption onto others and say that OTHER PEOPLE'S actions are negative, and by your words and actions are intolerant of other's choice to believe flora DOES feel pain and fear when damaged or threatened. The entire reason I have continued to discuss this is in hopes that you will respect that choice.

I respect your choice to believe whatever you want to. But I will never respect anyone's 'choice' to knowingly inflict suffering on sentient creatures who obviously DO feel pain and fear, and who are crying out for help.

If you want to interpret that data as an indication that plants feel pain and fear, go for it. I pity the whole planet, in that case, because every blade of grass is in constant agony. This planet must be 'hell' indeed!

But, to use that as a justification to inflict suffering on animals - who DO feel pain and fear, 100% certain! - doesn't hold any water, for the simple reason that eating animals causes MORE plants to die!

You have recently shown that when presented with evidence contrary to the fact, you immediately denounce the evidence with little logical thought on the matter. Case in point, it is well documented certain plants will release a mustard compound (or other chemical) as a defense mechanism against certain insects. Yet you rigidly assumed that to be false despite there being much more widely accepted and conclusive evidence to that fact.

WTF??? Do you delight in intentionally twisting my words? I never said the mustard compound was false. I said that their conclusions about what that compound meant were speculation.

I don't believe you are stupid, and what I said was very clear, so I can only wonder whether your twisting of my words is deliberate.

HOW do you get "Plants do not feel pain or fear" out of "We are ALL speculating about what plants feel" ???

Animals DO feel pain and fear. Killing animals kills MORE plants. Those are FACTS. NO I don't respect anyone's 'choice' to deliberately kill animals, when it's obviously NOT necessary and is obviously causing harm.

I don't respect anyone's 'choice' to keep slaves or murder or rape either. Do you?