(10-28-2014, 12:15 AM)Parsons Wrote: You aren't directly saying plants don't feel pain, you imply it by saying "I don't eat animals 'cause it causes them pain". You have to string two thoughts together and use the process of elimination; not just consider one thought in a vacuum.
If that were the only statement I ever made, perhaps. But it isn't. I have repeatedly stated that we DO NOT KNOW whether plants feel pain, whereas we DO know that animals DO feel pain.
I also stated that it is completely illogical to eat animals, who DO feel pain, based on the speculation that plants MIGHT feel pain.
To continue to ignore my other statements, seems like a lame attempt to throw guilt back at the vegetarians.
Well guess what? We don't feel any guilt!
You could say "Eating plants is STS" all day long and we won't feel any guilt.
Yet, we say "UNnecessarily eating animals is STS" and you get your panties in a bundle and start yelling "BIGOT! Guilt-tripper!"
If there is nothing wrong with eating animals, then you would laugh and shrug it off, just like we laugh and shrug it off when you insinuate that we're doing the same thing with plants.
I admit to feeling annoyance that this same idiotic argument keeps coming up again and again, and my words continue to get twisted. But guilt? Nope. None.
If you feel 'guilt-tripped' that is NOT my fault. You might consider asking yourself why you feel that way. It has nothing to do with me.
(10-28-2014, 12:15 AM)Parsons Wrote:(10-27-2014, 08:39 PM)Monica Wrote:Quote:and send out defense mechanisms to try to stop it from happeningis pure speculation. To state this as factual, and then extrapolate from that, is building from a false premise.
You said false. Are you going to argue semantics on the word "premise" now?
I said that the CONCLUSION of it being a 'defense mechanism to try to stop it from happening' is a false premise. I never disputed the data itself; only the interpretation of that data.
(10-28-2014, 12:15 AM)Parsons Wrote: For the sake of argument, if plants and animals both experience pain and fear before death, couldn't I reduce my meat intake(but still eat some meat) to the point where I could balance out the fact that animals increase overall plant consumption?
Oh good grief.
By that logic, if plants=animals=humans then why not just go around murdering and raping humans? They're all the same anyway, right, so what does it matter?
(10-28-2014, 12:15 AM)Parsons Wrote: Also, at that point aren't you opening the door to looking down on people who overeat the same way you look down on omnivores?
Your insistence upon trying to make this about me is really getting old.