02-17-2015, 09:27 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-17-2015, 09:38 PM by Steppingfeet.)
(02-06-2015, 01:01 PM)Minyatur Wrote: It is, but I think there is a difference between being of this density and wandering through here. As the name implies a Wanderer does not belong here and the state of the planet does not reflect the stage of his own growth. I am for change but I think for a Wanderer the best is to bring change on a small scale to those that call for it and not feel a need to things to be changed. The change that we speak of will come from humanity as a whole as it progresses through time when they will learn lessons of 3D and feel the need of the lessons of 4D.
Hey Minyatur, How comes you think that the wanderer "does not belong here", or that the "state of the planet does not reflect the stage of his own growth".
Ra's thought on this causes me to think otherwise:
16.59 Ra: As we have said before, Wanderers become completely the creature of third density in mind/body complex.
Among the millions of (self-defined) wanderers I have known, I have not met a wanderer who is so removed or different from society that they don't have a stake in the health of the planet, or that they don't suffer the consequences of societal action. Nor have I met a wanderer who seems anything other than human.
I don't see wanderers as independent of the human milieu. They have human lessons with human fates and human suffering and human confusion.
Of course there is plenty of room for discussion regarding what is the best way to serve, or to bring about change, including whether one ought to bring about change.
(02-06-2015, 01:01 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I agree with this but I do not think the purpose to come here is to change the planetary vibration, I think it is a direct consequence of it. You are here for yourself, to learn by being here in 3D and being here you will cross path with entities of this density and of this sphere with whom you may share wisdom and love, if it is something they wish for just like one can pray to Yahweh for wisdom and love too. If you keep your mind pure, your simple presence here will lighten the planetary vibration without you interacting with anything. What I think is important is heeding to calls of change rather than thinking that change is needed and trying to make it happen. I think change is best brought on a small scale.
I think I agree with you on the notion that change, in a way, comes about on its own. That attaching ourselves to outcomes isn't the highest and best, but that through practicing presence, compassion, forgiveness, etc., growth will happen of its own accord, we will affect others without trying, and the situation will just sort of change... seemingly on its own. Also, as you say, through the small scale, that is, ones individual, more local sphere of influence.
But I don't agree with the thought regarding the purpose of wanderers.
According to Ra:
65.11 Questioner: Well, this entire scenario over the next, shall I say, twenty years seems to be aimed at producing an increase in seeking and an increase in the awareness of the natural creation, but also a terrific amount of confusion. Was it the pre-incarnative objective of many of the Wanderers to attempt to reduce this confusion?
Ra: I am Ra. It was the aim of Wanderers to serve the entities of this planet in whatever way was requested and it was also the aim of Wanderers that their vibratory patterns might lighten the planetary vibration as a whole, thus ameliorating the effects of planetary disharmony and palliating any results of this disharmony.
Not only did wanderers wish to lighten the planetary vibration for the increase of harvest, but to make sure the planet survived in one piece into the harvest.
Ra mentions elsewhere how waves of wanderers incarnated with specific missions to help foster cognitive and technological changes in society.
In addition to the possibility of accelerating their own evolution thanks to the intensified catalyst of this planet, the big reason wanderers incarnated here was to affect the situation on the ground, first and foremost through radiance of being.
If they didn't wish to have a direct and immediate impact, they would have stayed in the etiolated realms where they could beam wavelengths of love and light to their heart's content. But from that vantage point they are limited, their hands are tied behind their backs. Here, they have a right and a responsibility to work for change.
Though again, first and foremost through self-work that leads to the radiation of realization of oneness with the Creator.
(02-06-2015, 01:01 PM)Minyatur Wrote: My position lies that there is a difference between a regular 3D and a Wanderer, a Wanderer shouldn't want one of 3D to change unless this person wishes it for himself else it is STS in my view.
Oh, agreed. Service upon the positive path can only be rendered to the extent it is requested.
(02-06-2015, 01:01 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I do understand what you are saying of the confederation and wanderers, but I think that is something that is to be lost to harvest into 7D and so needs to be worked upon. 7D seems to be exactly what you said : "allowing the perfection to unfold as it will", isn't this what the Earth is doing?
This question not computing. It could be because of 3D hardware installed in my brain. Or actually, it is the brain. Can you clarify?
(02-06-2015, 01:01 PM)Minyatur Wrote: That may have been a wrong use of words, but what I meant is that in my view, if one apologies on the behalf of something, it is because he views that something as being in wrong and in need to be changed else why would one apologize? But if it were different, it would only cut the Creator from a set of experiences. That isn't "bad" in itself but would come from a STS perspective in which reality should be more to one's liking than the way it actually is.
I think I get the meditative mindset with which you wish to greet all catalyst, labeling it neither "good" nor "bad" but embracing all as a perfect and particular manifestation of the infinite One.
I don't think that to apologize, however, necessarily means labeling an event, decision, situation, or choice as "bad". (Though certainly apologies may stem from condemnation or judgment of some activity.)
Apologizing can simply be an activity that moves in the intended, positive direction from more distortion to less. An apology in the human realm where conflicts arise between people will probably go a lot farther at restoring harmony than will, "I see only perfection and thus see no need to apologize."
Chances are you should apologize for using the last of the milk in the fridge... without replacing it no less!
(02-06-2015, 01:01 PM)Minyatur Wrote: My words are nowhere absolute, my goal is simply sharing insights and by doing so I get insights in return from the answers. Win-win situation.
Indeed. Thank you for sharing. I enjoy your consistently mellow tone.

(02-06-2015, 01:01 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I'll add that if you view the Earth as a mother that loves unconditionally her childrens, she wouldn't need apologies on her spiritual toddlers' behalf. This is the most simplistic way I can state my view.
True. Then again, apologizing may be of benefit to those toddlers, a means to express love, to acknowledge distorted behavior, and to ground a desire to act with less distortion toward their mother.
Much love,
GLB
Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi