07-23-2010, 10:20 AM
(This post was last modified: 07-23-2010, 06:11 PM by Questioner.)
Thanks folks.
For type 9, the highest vision of God is equally difficult to put into words, but is something along these lines: God is the ultimate force of unity expressed through harmonious peace and loving flowing through every moment.
Any other type of God is best subordinated, for type 9, into this ultimate flow. For example, a type 9's Christianity is mystical, as in this quote from George Fox, founder of the Quakers: "The Lord answered, That it was needful I should have a sense of all conditions, how else should I speak to all conditions!' and in this I saw the infinite love of God. I saw, also, that there was an ocean of darkness and death; but an infinite ocean of light and love, which flowed over the ocean of darkness. In that also I saw the infinite love of God, and I had great openings."
In spiritual community, Quakers don't vote. The clerk of the meeting intuits "the sense of the meeting" and explicitly asks, "Are all hearts clear?" before officially documenting the decision in legally binding minutes. That's about as far as you can get from the divide-and-conquer, command-and-control, respect-the-authorities mentality behind shouting down or outvoting your opponents, then taking a majority vote to change the record to record the vote as unanimous.
Applied in everyday life, any kind of innovation that uses fields, forces, or the way things are flowing, comes easy to type 9. Cook food without touch by escalating the vibration of the water molecules within? Of course! Send information by pulses of light that are so perfectly aligned they pass through any environment? Naturally, that's what all the cool planets are doing these days.
The unusual claims of the Law of One, all about fields of light and energy, focused transfer of thoughts through narrow band mental communication, etc. are no stumbling block to type 9's understanding. Instead of "no shirt no shoes no service," for type 9 it's more likely "no tangible matter, no guaranteed particle of proof, no problem - after all we're dealing with waves here."
(Edited: I removed a complex and irrelevant speculation about astrology that isn't necessary for understanding the Enneagram. The Enneagram doesn't require any point of view about astrology. Left the placeholder here so Aaron's subsequent post will make sense.)
I don't know if the inventors of the Radar Range or the Laser were type 9's, but they certainly demonstrated type 9 thinking. My type 9 Dad's primary inventions used information in the environmental field around the devices to provide the missing pieces to their puzzles. I don't want to say more about that now because I prefer to stay anonymous on the forum at this time.
If the ultimate blessing of type 9 is an ocean of love in which one swims with unity through accepting all things, then the ultimate curse is an ocean that escapes before you have a chance to get wet, leaving you high and dry, stranded, all alone. At that point the negative type 9 feels forced to accept any puddle by calling it the ocean and pretending it's everything you need to sail around the world. Few things sadder than seeing someone hoist a ragtag sail and holler "Hello, China!" in the bathtub, trying to convince themselves they're the great explorer!
If the infinite flow of God's love is only available when mediated through the Group, then one has to accept whatever Group one can find, rather than having the courage to stand with God within and "speak truth to power" (Quaker term from abolition of slavery) with courage. The courage comes from correctly identifying the infinite flow of God's love with an ever-present experience inside the enlightened type 9 heart and soul , rather than a flow contingent on whatever drops and drips float by from outside.
The service to others of type 9 is obvious. The service to self is far more subtle: it's when they simply can't be bothered to do their part, when it's their turn to serve as the foam on top of the wave or to take the lead in splashing God's love into the dry lands, rather than comfortably relaxing in the ocean depths at the cost of the infinite expansion desired by the infinite ocean of light and love. The fear is ultimately the child's: if I speak up about what Mommy and Daddy are both missing, maybe they'll both reject and abandon me, and then nobody will represent God to this isolated little life.
For type 9, the highest vision of God is equally difficult to put into words, but is something along these lines: God is the ultimate force of unity expressed through harmonious peace and loving flowing through every moment.
Any other type of God is best subordinated, for type 9, into this ultimate flow. For example, a type 9's Christianity is mystical, as in this quote from George Fox, founder of the Quakers: "The Lord answered, That it was needful I should have a sense of all conditions, how else should I speak to all conditions!' and in this I saw the infinite love of God. I saw, also, that there was an ocean of darkness and death; but an infinite ocean of light and love, which flowed over the ocean of darkness. In that also I saw the infinite love of God, and I had great openings."
In spiritual community, Quakers don't vote. The clerk of the meeting intuits "the sense of the meeting" and explicitly asks, "Are all hearts clear?" before officially documenting the decision in legally binding minutes. That's about as far as you can get from the divide-and-conquer, command-and-control, respect-the-authorities mentality behind shouting down or outvoting your opponents, then taking a majority vote to change the record to record the vote as unanimous.
Applied in everyday life, any kind of innovation that uses fields, forces, or the way things are flowing, comes easy to type 9. Cook food without touch by escalating the vibration of the water molecules within? Of course! Send information by pulses of light that are so perfectly aligned they pass through any environment? Naturally, that's what all the cool planets are doing these days.
The unusual claims of the Law of One, all about fields of light and energy, focused transfer of thoughts through narrow band mental communication, etc. are no stumbling block to type 9's understanding. Instead of "no shirt no shoes no service," for type 9 it's more likely "no tangible matter, no guaranteed particle of proof, no problem - after all we're dealing with waves here."
(Edited: I removed a complex and irrelevant speculation about astrology that isn't necessary for understanding the Enneagram. The Enneagram doesn't require any point of view about astrology. Left the placeholder here so Aaron's subsequent post will make sense.)
I don't know if the inventors of the Radar Range or the Laser were type 9's, but they certainly demonstrated type 9 thinking. My type 9 Dad's primary inventions used information in the environmental field around the devices to provide the missing pieces to their puzzles. I don't want to say more about that now because I prefer to stay anonymous on the forum at this time.
If the ultimate blessing of type 9 is an ocean of love in which one swims with unity through accepting all things, then the ultimate curse is an ocean that escapes before you have a chance to get wet, leaving you high and dry, stranded, all alone. At that point the negative type 9 feels forced to accept any puddle by calling it the ocean and pretending it's everything you need to sail around the world. Few things sadder than seeing someone hoist a ragtag sail and holler "Hello, China!" in the bathtub, trying to convince themselves they're the great explorer!
If the infinite flow of God's love is only available when mediated through the Group, then one has to accept whatever Group one can find, rather than having the courage to stand with God within and "speak truth to power" (Quaker term from abolition of slavery) with courage. The courage comes from correctly identifying the infinite flow of God's love with an ever-present experience inside the enlightened type 9 heart and soul , rather than a flow contingent on whatever drops and drips float by from outside.
The service to others of type 9 is obvious. The service to self is far more subtle: it's when they simply can't be bothered to do their part, when it's their turn to serve as the foam on top of the wave or to take the lead in splashing God's love into the dry lands, rather than comfortably relaxing in the ocean depths at the cost of the infinite expansion desired by the infinite ocean of light and love. The fear is ultimately the child's: if I speak up about what Mommy and Daddy are both missing, maybe they'll both reject and abandon me, and then nobody will represent God to this isolated little life.