Ra's Statements About 2D Entities

[Jade]

Someone just sent this to me privately:

Sadly, I don't think you received a single reply from anyone on that thread that really talked about the topic -- the consciousness of 2D entities as described by Ra.

Please forgive my rant - I'm at my limit and wish I could filter all posts/threads that contain the word "vegan" from here on out.

Monica, I don't think it's fair to blame others for the direction of your thread when A) ~70% of the text in the thread is yours and B) it's completely obvious from the OP that you are attempting to get people to follow a script so that you can prove your point. You've been a vegan for a long time so for you it's just "so easy", but as someone who's not yet been a vegan for three years, I can verify that it is difficult to transition even if you have the resources (I was taught to cook when I was young). In fact, dairy still makes it into my diet on occasion. It tastes disgusting for me but when I'm taken out to eat I prefer not to be a pain in the ass and instead just accept what is given.

You treat this issue as far too black and white. I can think of an infinite amount of scenarios where eating meat is not STS at all. Infinite. So to blanket create a scenario where you want people to admit that they are behaving in an STS fashion when they eat meat is not appropriate.

Once you mentioned that you support a group that pays people to watch videos of animal torture in an effort to get them to rethink their ways. To me, you are having people to willingly traumatize themselves so that they agree with you. I find this repulsive to say the least. It's akin to showing child pornography to people in an attempt to convince them not molest kids - it's exploiting to the victims, for one. Another analogy I feel is very accurate is that of the pro-lifer - coming from what they feel is an OBVIOUS moral high ground (not killing babies!) but being so forceful and repulsive in their attempts to persuade people (emotional manipulation, pictures of aborted fetuses, etc) that to most people their views are so harsh and radical that it becomes difficult to empathize. The gap between the common ground gets too wide to cover.

83.12 Questioner: Then you say that there are no cases where those who are service-to-others oriented are using in any way techniques of enslavement that have grown as a result of the evolution of our social structures? Is this what you mean?

Ra: I am Ra. It was our understanding that your query concerned conditions before the veiling. There was no unconscious slavery, as you call this condition, at that period. At the present space/time the condition of well-meant and unintentional slavery are so numerous that it beggars our ability to enumerate them.

Now, I am not accusing you of advocating slavery (it's obvious that you truly consciously advocate the opposite) but if we extrapolate "slavery" to mean "attempting to force others to take a specific course of action based on our desires", I hope you can see what I mean. We all have "sts demons" that we do well if we acknowledge. The fact being that you only have to hit 51% to be harvestable, and anything after that is "extra credit" leaves a bit of gray area for us all to have our future lessons.

Anyway, again, I'm sorry for being harsh Monica. I am very burnt out on these vegan threads that seem to just be a passive-aggressive bully fest. I understand you and Diana feel this is a great place for you to express your passion about being vegan, but I definitely think it's totally the WRONG place to brow-beat people about being STS.

Ra advocates an atmosphere of acceptance and non-judgement, while students of Ra continue to defend their habit of judging other students of Ra from a perceived moral high ground.

No one's perfect.