Why I am not a vegan

[Monica]

Let's apply that to humans and see how that works:

Again, abuse of children and killing them are different topics.  By all means, avoid abusing children.  Killing a child quickly by skillful shooting is less cruel than dying slowly of starvation in Africa...To assume one is worse 100% of the time otherwise, is naive.

2nd density, and 3rd density are different, thus, your cross examples are not compatible.

Why/how are they different? That is the topic of this thread:

Bring4th Forums One > Strictly Law of One Material  v > Ra's Statements About 2D Entities

I agree about killing in self-defense or to protect another. But you still haven't answered my question:

Why is the same action (controlling and dominating an other-self to the point of using them and killing them against their will) 'naturally different' when done to a late 2D entity vs a 3D entity?

No one said anything about control and domination.  Those are ideas you brought into it.

Look at this. How is this NOT control and domination?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykTH_b-cXyE

Animals willfully incarnate into a realm of prey and predation.  Humans are exploring those systems in more of a societal way.

Rape and murder victims do too. So by your logic, does that mean it's congruent with the STO path to rape and murder humans?

And your interpretation of "late 2D" is much different than my own.

Please do share! In the thread on that topic, posted above.

You mean like the insinuations that eating meat is entirely concomitant with being a straight up murderer?  I'm not sure what insinuations/jabs you were referring to, but if you find my posts too offensive, you are not obligated to respond.

I do indeed insinuate about actions, but never about people. That is the difference. I don't presume to know someone's motivation.

The following is just my intuition and opinion:

I think you may be interpreting this situation differently than I do.  There are plenty of times when death is desired by an animal.  Just as there are plenty of times when humans do. Animal thoughts aren't generally as specific as human thoughts (their consciousness is, usually, more resistance free, but less specifically focused than human consciousness) but when an animal is in pain, and generally desires to not be in pain anymore, it will then attract those experiences that will end such pain by virtue of said desire.  In many cases, this is swift merciful death.  Whether by animals, hunters, or having a random massive brain aneurysm and god knows what else.  Or it might just get better, if that is the path of least resistance.

There are also times, when animals simply get out of alignment with what is wanted, by focusing on what is not wanted, and then attract that, resulting in their death (sometimes very slow death).

The point being, you can't know which.  But if you *ASSUME* it is one or the other, which is judgment, you will tend to only attract that circumstance into your experience.

Does anyone here know what the word perspective means? Anyone?

These arguments continue to be made from the perspective of the entity's preincarnational choices. No one is disputing that. On a higher level, yes, animals choose to be raped and slaughtered, even burned alive, just as humans choose to be raped, tortured, murdered, whatever.

YES that is TRUE.

But that is NOT the point!

The point is: Is it congruent with the STO path to be the one administering those services?

Put another way:

Just because the woman chose to be raped, does that mean it is ok for an STO entity to rape her?

Just because the cow chose to her baby stolen, then raped again, and and again, and again, until finally her throat is slit, does that mean WE should contribute to those things?

When I say "Selfishly satisfying one's desires, while, knowingly causing suffering to another entity isn't STO" that is because it is the very definition of STS!

Whether that victim chose it or not, is irrelevant, to the question of whether WE should participate!

If we choose to not participate, and the woman still needs someone to rape her, then some STS entity will oblige.

Then you have misunderstood. I never said that. Of course animals are playing a role in creating their own circumstances, just like the human rape victim.

And, just as you said "rape is still rape" and is "still negative" so too is it still negative, when done to ANY victim, whether human or animal! There is NO difference! Except that one is socially acceptable and the other isn't.

You can't know the polarity of an act.  That is judgment.

You just did it. You just said rape was negative.

I have it on good authority, that some STS versions do.

Indeed. Whom do we wish to emulate? The higher-density STO entities, who drink nectar, or the STS entities who ruthlessly slaughter other entities to satisfy their bloodlust?