Tan.rar ' Wrote: So what, for you, is included under the umbrella of "real"?
Well, everything that can be experienced is some degree of real, from my perspective. But some things are more real than others things because they are more permanent.
Unity would be the most real, since it is the most permanent. All conscious experiences of unity (which is all that can be), is some measure of distorted/undistorted.
The undistorted unity doesn't disappear when somebody sees an illusion, the perception of it just becomes skewed, warped, or distorted. Beingness remains flawlessly undistorted, regardless. So it is a sliding scale of realness, with unity being the ultimate frame of reference. The illusions are temporary ripples on the surface of the pond (surface of infinity), but the pond isn't going anywhere. All illusions of relativity are relative because they exist only relation to the absolute. The absolute is not dependent on the relative, which is why it isn't relative.
Some argue that there is a mutually sustaining dialect between the relative and the absolute. I'm still working that out. It could be because infinity would not be infinity without the distorted refractions of infinity, so relativity is a necessary component of infinity. I'm leaning in that direction these days. But, even still, some states of consciousness are more consonant with unity that other states of consciousness. Least, that is my current opinion.
Do you have a different perspective on this matter? I welcome your thoughts.