05-27-2015, 09:47 AM
(05-27-2015, 06:10 AM)Tan.rar Wrote: Every life has suffering, if you got a choice, what would you choose for your suffering to be? This is because we are all things, including suffering. However, we can balance suffering with enjoyment whenever we are able. Eventually one sees there is only experience, no good or bad, things occur without recompense to a lord and master. There is however something peculiar in this experience however and that is that you are part of it. You are the experience of yourself.
(05-27-2015, 06:14 AM)Minyatur Wrote: I think the confederation would want itself to remove the 3D entities that suffer from this place. But they had no saying in that these souls resonated with this place to incarnate or willingly in awareness chose to be here. All they can say is that it was not their own wish and they are probably saddened more than anything else.
Negative entities create the disharmony of this place but they too have no power to draw in souls in it. Souls are free to be where they need to be for themselves.
None have the right to break this resonance between souls and their space/time time/space location.
(05-27-2015, 06:41 AM)Minyatur Wrote: If the future you would not want his past to be any other way because of how it shaped him into becoming what he became. Where should the line of free will be drawn?
If the future was based on the original premise like it acts like it is, that free will is actually present, then this issue for 3D wouldn't be here now.
If you try to rectify 3D from a higher perspective, you ignore 3D in the process. If you try to justify 3D torture with higher perspectives it leaves me with extreme issues with the One Infinite as it is.
I am not talking about fist fights alone, or a singular murder or the horrors of the few and inbetween.
I'm talking about 3D BEINGS, every single self aware entity that is currently sure it is an individual here, with its own consent separate a soul identity because they can do such.
Because I am doing that literally right now, and I am pretty beyond furious, and I am trying so extremely hard not to lash out and be cruel. Because I don't see it anymore, I don't comprehend it and I honestly don't believe that I could find myself in an existence where rape, murder, and torture are said to be 'choosen' by a Soul to experience, and yet Ra describes 'surprises'.
Do you consent to a surprise?
Even if that surprise is getting raped then killed by another?
Did you actually believe your soul said 'I want to get raped then killed'?
Then to try and over and over, tell me, I chose this suffering, I'm responsible for it. But call my issues of these surprises and such, EXCUSES?
3D does not maintain Free Will. You guys are using higher perspectives and overall views, ignoring, literally my point, 3D perspective in the current occurrence.
When a person wants to give up, why are they forced by the Universe, and I don't say forced lightly, but it seems one MUST complete, and MUST do things to progress, what happens if that impedes with the free will of the entity? What happens when so many 3D entities all commit suicide, but they come to to be told they must do it all over again?
There is a disgusting amount of indifferent and ignorance towards the 3D existence and seemingly thing entire octave.
That I even have the thoughts that I'd rather cease and be Gone than 'enjoy' these 'aids' I 'desired', should be enough of a...Fricken clue to the whole.
There is SOMETHING WRONG. I found something that does not resonate with me so deeply I don't even know what to do or say or how to respond or go about it...
I'm in a universe that justifies torturing self aware animals for their own good...
Can I leave entirely? I'd rather go back to a non-aware state and show the Creator, first hand, that there will be at least one portion that said you messed up, and ceases trying to justify this insanity and this horror.
Because that is what this is. You can talk about joy and pleasures. Tell a person their 11 year old kid was killed in a car accident because they choose and desired to be before they reincarnated. Tell a prison inmate he was raped because he choose and desired to be. Tell a child they were abused and used because they choose and desired to be.
Watch, how fast, that person will be disgusted.
Ra says there are surprises. Do you consent to surprises in the mysterious unknown before you reincarnate? Do you as a soul give the universe complete consent?
More importantly, how does that override your 3D personality's consent?
I thought Free Will was absolute. I see that 3D Free Will is utterly and completely ignored beyond the power they have to do it all themselves. Which is not a lot in this world, which is less in areas.
I can't in good faith of an Unconditionally Loving Free Will operating universe, say Third Density, or perhaps this entire octave if the Higher Self forces you to take upon certain paths that are 'as is', is made of unconditional love, or has free will.
No, 3D is closer to Indifference. Complete indifference towards the Human being. What human being wants to be born just to be put through hell to help a soul evolve? Does it get a choice? When the soul joins the Human Being, did the human know and consent?
Or is the Soul and the whole Universe using 3D?
Because if it is. The fury. The absolute rage at existence. Unconditional Love uses self-aware entities that way?
That isn't Love, nor is it Unconditional, nor is it proper or fair or correct or anything, except, wrong.
And in a universe that is clearly not made of Unconditional Love overall like it says it is, I honestly do not think the concepts of As Is are fairly applied to the ways of the whole system.
And if the system is designed, once again, to use Humans in that way.
I don't blame Earth if it used Nukes to defend itself from the operations of an indifferent uncaring universe towards 3D beings.
Did Humanity get a say? Why do I notice this endless notion of 'you wanted this' but while you're here, you actually don't want this but you 'want this'.
As a Human being, a self aware humanoid entity, who was joined by a soul in the womb.
Did I.
I, the HUMAN.
Consent?
If not, then your Free Will First Distortion has failed me. That is not consent. In any way. Does a developing fetus have the power to provide consent to the soul it experiences suddenly out of nowhere joining with it? Or does it struggle and ultimately give up, or just not know and openly allow such?
If it struggles, is that consensual?
I do have a problem here. Do you guys understand my problem now?