05-28-2015, 01:07 PM
(05-28-2015, 12:18 PM)VanAlioSaldo Wrote: The OP is a good start to try and explain to me the possible...Issues with my own view.
I want you guys to debunk that this place is not literally hell for some, that Human's, those Human Beings are not used and abused by the rest of Creation for Spiritual Evolution. I realized on my path to discovering this perspective that Love and Indifference in action look exactly the same in the 3D perspective, with inherent differences not known when you apply the perspective as being from 3D origin, and not higher.
Otherwise, because the view, 3rd Density is possible of becoming literally Hell, is a hard one for some to realize due to the huge amounts of positive perspective applied to the material overall, as well as the uncertainties and misunderstandings of the full mechanics of laid out in the Ra Material.
Which I believe that 15% that is wrong may be well placed misinformation to allow for a perspective as the one I've stumbled in to.
So please...for the sake of my mind. Help me realize that my view, is wrong.
Here's some help, below... I'm trying...
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Well after reading all that, I still think I was on point before, but I don't think that I wasn't as on point as I'm going to be right now.

Let's first take your first statement. Your premise is that humans are being used and abused for the sake of creation. First of all, I don't think that that's entirely accurate because what we're going through (some worse than others) is something that everything in existence either will go through eventually, or has gone through. Ra says that the Logos basically stays in a "pure" state to be able to administrate things better, but I think that even some part of the Logos will eventually have to go through some hard catalyst. So we've debunked that. There is nothing that we're going through that the Creator is not going to go through eventually.
You're other point is that 2D and especially 3D is some sort of hell. I think that that can be perceived as accurate, but it begs the question, what is it a hell for? It's basically a hell to be able to help us get beyond the hell and into the heaven. This is where we learn! Learning is difficult. And, sometimes, the lessons are so hard that it might not seem to your conscious mind that you're learning something, but trust me, on some deep level you are learning. And it's not that you're learning how to suffer, you're actually suffering so that you can learn how not to suffer. I know that that's pretty much the same thing that I already said before, but that seems to be the question you're struggling with. If not, then please tell me how I'm missing the point. This head... this head doesn't work too well!

And you say you can think of much better ways to learn so, by all means, channel that information directly to the Creator. He needs all the feedback he or she (or both!) can get. And you'd be surprised to know that it's probably not something that It hasn't thought about already. I mean that's why it's up there and we're down here. It's experienced all this and beyond. Infinitely and eternally... As well as completely good and positive things.
And I just saw right now that you said that the universe is torturing human souls for the sake of its own evolution. Again... it's not something that some aspect of the totality is not going to have to go through itself.
And just my own little intermission (you can sit down and eat popcorn), I would suggest you reread everything I've said this morning because I still think that it is all completely relevant... even though you say it is not.
And here's just a little something to make it interesting... The Creator has actually given you two paths. If you want the hard way, you have to be Service-to-Others. You'll probably be experiencing the same things you're experiencing now... maybe worse, depends. And then you have another path. It's the easy way. And here's where the joke is actually on the Creator in your estimation because... both paths are essentially the same. And at the very end, no path was better than the other.
So by this point, I've made my point so well that I just have to glance at the rest of what you just wrote. I can go off and drink some coffee, come back, and just carry on.
How's them apples? Not trying to mock. Just sharing what I've learned...