What is everyone's gut feeling on 2012?

[Quantum]

There would seem little purpose in simply running circles of repetition ad nauseum. If I would get bored in this, I imagine the Creator would tire of it on an even grander scale of incomprehensible doldrums. So, perhaps we do it from yet ever higher levels of 1-8's forever (?), spinning and progressing on ever higher spirals, rather than repetitious repeating circles, ever higher, ever forward, and forever onward?

Hello again, my good friend Q,

I have a few passing thoughts on this.

First, the concept of "the great breath of the creator" having been exhaled (or created and experienced), must periodically be inhaled (or destroyed and distilled), is one which redounds through many religious teachings and is indeed, albeit superficially, one of the great quests of modern cosmology...

Second, as to the densities beyond 8, recall that we do have occasional interaction with those of higher densities, who are apparently able to transcend the octavinal (new word) divide. ...See below (the specific reference is emphasized)

Ra: I am Ra. In time of harvest there are always harvesters. The fruit is formed as it will be, but there is some supervision necessary to ensure that this bounty is placed as it should be without the bruise or the blemish. There are those of three levels watching over harvest.

The first level is planetary and that which may be called angelic. This type of guardian includes the mind/body/spirit complex totality or higher self of an entity and those inner plane entities which have been attracted to this entity through its inner seeking.

The second class of those who ward this process are those of the Confederation who have the honor/duty of standing in the small places at the edge of the steps of light/love so that those entities being harvested will not, no matter how confused or unable to make contact with their higher self, stumble and fall away for any reason other than the strength of the light. These Confederation entities catch those who stumble and set them aright so that they may continue into the light.

The third group watching over this process is that group you call the Guardians. This group is from the octave above our own and serves in this manner as light bringers. These Guardians provide the precise emissions of light/love in exquisitely fastidious disseminations of discrimination so that the precise light/love vibration of each entity may be ascertained.

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So, I see the regular progression of mind/body/spirit complex totalities through the gateway 7th octave into the next higher octave. But I also see the periodic reintegration of the entire universe into unity from which an entirely different, amazing, and wonderful universe may be formed. This latter and grander unification is one which may be accomplished only after every last drop of experience of the current universe has been distilled and savored by the One Creator. Then comes the time to tear it down and start anew.

3D Sunset

As always Dear 3D,

It is refreshing to hear from you and your willingness to engage, this in conjunction with your searing insights. Thank you. Let us allow the examining, or my lack perhaps thereof, of the Ra quote you offer above. You state: "recall that we do have occasional interaction with those of higher densities, who are apparently able to transcend the octavinal (new word) divide." (Kudos on your creative word play btw). Let us divide and bifurcate, if you will, the two words of Octave and Density,one from the other, which are non-inclusive and distinct ( a-h-h-h language, because of course they are not). Are you confusing the transcendence of the Octivanals with my intent of the "Densitivanals?" (my new-new word for those densities beyond our eighth density - derived as an extension from your new word of Octivanals - lol).

Let us keep playing:

1. I can accept quite willingly your first concept of the Great Breath of the Creator of the Expiration "exhaled (or created and experienced), which must periodically be "inhaled" (or destroyed and distilled)" , from the Latin "Inspiratus" (to be inspired), or literally "On the Breath of God". I might only offer that rather than destroyed, that "Created Anew" is more inferred by Inspiratus, as in "Divinitus Inspiratus" - divinely breathed into.

2. Help me understand your second concept as regards what seems to be the mixing of definitions between octaves vs densities, this by referencing the Ra quote you offer, as explained and questioned further below?

3. In this Ra reference offered, they state: "The third group watching over this process is that group you call the Guardians. This group is from the octave above our own and serves in this manner as light bringers" . By this I understand Ra to mean that the third group is 'simply one single octave' above their own, meaning either the Octave above the 7th that Ra is presently in is either still in 7th, but clearly at a higher Octave in 7th, or, even if Ra is in the 2nd to last Octave of 7/meaning 7th octave in 7th density (which I assume is the case from the readings), the Guardians are presumably in the last Octave of 7th/meaning 8th octave of 7th density, and consequently in the 1st Octave of 8th, which is technically not transcending Octaves or Densities yet (how many Angels dance on the head of a pin again?), this by virtue that the last of 7th and first of 8th are synonymous, analogous, and subsets of one and the same, if not at least two sides still of the same one coin? Picture the sound of the 8 octaves of a keyboard: Doe-Ra-Me-Fa-So-La-Tee-Doe, with Doe occupying the last note of the previous octave in simultaneity with the first note of the next octave. (side-note: I offered a post similar to this very topic of Octaves in the thread of 'Earth in 3D/7th Octave' on "Sessions In Focus", but this with only to date having attracted two responses. Perhaps we may take this subject of Octaves up (a note) here (pun intended), as there is scarcely any conversation to it anywhere, whereas to the converse there is much to the conversations on density, particularly of course as regards Earth moving to 4th).

Quantum wrote:

There would seem little purpose in simply running circles of repetition ad nauseum. If I would get bored in this, I imagine the Creator would tire of it on an even grander scale of incomprehensible doldrums. So, perhaps we do it from yet ever higher levels of 1-8's forever (?), spinning and progressing on ever higher spirals, rather than repetitious repeating circles, ever higher, ever forward, and forever onward?

Quantum,

How do we know what bores the creator? I'm thinking you had tongue firmly planted in cheek when you wrote that. But ascribing human feelings to an infinite entity that is experiencing "everything" all at once? Every moment, past, present, future in all octaves and dimensions?
I don't know...sounds pretty exciting to me.

Richard

I would offer that I am only "partly conjecturing" (see Ra below), this with said tongue in last octave of present density, and in simultaneity of 1st Octave of next, perhaps again with tongue once more firmly aligned against said cheek in duplicity. I can not of course know what bores the Creator, but I may assume I would surely get bored, and ergo that 'The Great IT' may as a consequence become as bored as well. IT either is infinity, or created infinity, which IT 'are' irrespectively 'is'. A repeating infinity (1-8), albeit different infinity, strikes me as a finite infinity, verses an infinite infinity (word play and good humor aside, I am in earnestness here).

I imagine Infinity in Spiraling Circles, spiraling ever upward infinitely, (think of the Ra teachings as relates to spirals, i.e. The Galaxies) as opposed to one unending circle forever repeating like a skip on a scratched record, albeit beginning ever new again, even if to play a new melody, unless of course the circle is so incomprehensibly large and Infinite that it has no beginning or no end, which brings us back to Square One, of Spirals being like an incomprehensible infinite circle (sorry for what may appear as the tongue and cheek thing again..but words are meant to be understood/misunderstood). All seriousness aside, to this question Richard, I would simply offer to you (and perhaps 3D) that indeed, there needn't at all be a simple repetitious repeat of the entire process of 1-8 and "then comes the time to tear it down and start anew", this to be understood only as the tearing down of 1-8 and beginning the same 1-8 all over again (albeit perhaps 'different'), as in "from which an entirely different, amazing, and wonderful universe may be formed", as you 3D I believe are offering (?), thus implying perhaps that all ceases and begins anew after the completion of 8, only to begin with 1-8 again? (Perhaps this is not at all what you meant 3D, as I seem to imply you seem to imply?).

Therefore I suggest, lets keep playing, and you may correct me, or agree with me by adding more:

To the converse, I would offer that there may exist an infinite number of Octaves as there are Densities, this well beyond our simple understanding of 1-8, tearing down, and beginning again anew. What if indeed our imagining (and even this as alas given by Ra verses our own imagining) simply ends in eighth? In other words, in spite of our infiniteness, we are cloaked in finiteness for the moment by choice, and thus we simply may perhaps be incapable of even beginning to imagine anything beyond this 8th octave. It may be argued that our understanding indeed ceases beyond our simple 3rd. It is then perhaps even far beyond our ability to plumb 4th as regards understanding, but not perhaps as regards the general ability to imagine a 4th in general. My point then is that perhaps even imagining itself is finite in a finite existence with a finite mind, this as a result of an infinite choice made to be same? And therefore imagining beyond 8 becomes almost inconceivable? It might be said that were we even able to simply just "imagine" anything beyond 4th, or 5th, or 6th, that we would then begin having the ability to pierce the Gateway to Intelligent Infinity. I submit we may not be able to even imagine same, and that if we could, we would already have pierced the veil.

What then in this context may come after 8th? What may we "imagine vs understand" after the Great Inspiration/On The Breath Of God/Inhalation/ Divintus Inspiratus? Is it possible that perhaps there is then a 9-16, and then 17-24, and 25-31, and through infinity to make the numbering and counting pointless, and all in the Holy Instant of Nowness in the Mind Of The Creator Logos? Given the Great Creator is in fact Intelligent Infinity Itself, as in 'Infinite Creation', why should we assume any less? Perhaps at the end of our eighth, it indeed begins anew spiraling to 9, to a depth which Ra does not even begin to plumb (even to eighth itself, much less beyond that). The counting becomes meaningless and acts simply as anchor for our need to assemble knowledge in logical and rationale format. The point may be said that there may exist infinite densities with infinite octaves, and whether at the end of 1-8 the anewness becomes 9 is as meaningless as suggesting it doesn't in an infinity. Logic may only take one to the precipice, at which point one must then walk the walk in faith by taking the leap, as only the Fool would do. But Ra does in fact state, and rather profoundly, as shared in my previous post state the following, allowing one to perhaps become the wiser Fool for the effort:

Ra: I am Ra. The path of our learning is graven in the present moment. There is no history, as we understand your concept. Picture, if you will, a circle of being. We know the alpha and omega as infinite intelligence. The circle never ceases. It is present. The densities we have traversed at various points in the circle correspond to the characteristics of cycles: first, the cycle of awareness; second, the cycle of growth; third, the cycle of self-awareness; fourth, the cycle of love or understanding; fifth, the cycle of light or wisdom; sixth, the cycle of light/love, love/light or unity; seventh, the gateway cycle; eighth, the octave which moves into a mystery we do not plumb.

In other words, Ra does not even dare to plumb even that one single density above their own (8) , and what it may hold.

Ra then states to Don's question the following:

Questioner: Are you saying then that there are an infinite number of octaves of densities one through eight?

Ra: I am Ra. We wish to establish that we are truly humble messengers of the Law of One. We can speak to you of our experiences and our understandings and teach/learn in limited ways. However, we cannot speak in firm knowledge of all the creations. We know only that they are infinite. We assume ""an infinite number of octaves"".

However, it has been impressed upon us by our own teachers that there is a mystery-clad unity of creation in which all consciousness periodically coalesces and again begins. Thus we can only say we assume an infinite progression, though we understand it to be cyclical in nature and, as we have said, clad in mystery.

Infinite Octaves. Infinite Densities. How amazing. Why then would we consider limiting the infinite, or assume it as a repetitious cycle of the same repeating 1-8, verses an infinite number of 1-8's to the numbering of infinite densities into the gazillionth density and beyond, when Ra clearly points the finger to a True Unending Mystery into the Infinite of never ending Densities and never ending Octaves. See?

I remain blown away.....and thank both of you (3D and Richard) for stimulating these wonderful and continuing thoughts. The blade becomes ever sharper in these exercises like katas and shadow boxing. Therefore dear masters, challenges, continuances, and more prodding please, and the invitation for more and all masters to jump in. The water's just fine.

Q