Biased view of STS...and INFINITY

[Ali Quadir]

i am experiencing and creating, therefore, i am not infinite. being a part of infinite, and being infinite inwards, or, being infinite as an element in principle doesnt allow me to encompass entire infinity.

It actually does... This is called the holistic principle.

Look at it this way. As soon as you have a closed infinite whole as you suggest where nothing can come in and nothing can leave. Then any subset that becomes manifest must immediately manifest it's conjunct...

Not only do you exist... Your existence defines the universe as you experience it.... See the two halves? The ancients described this: "As above so below" Now nothing in you or your conjunct can be changed without changing the other.

else, there wouldnt be any need for anything existing beside me, and experiencing or creating anything. yet, see, there you are, there the monitor is, there is the bird entity flying outside. they exist. therefore, i am not infinite.

The bird entity exists within your perspective therefore it exists... The bird has it's own perspective and existence. But this is not the same as yours. The monitor has it's own perspective and existence. But again it's not the same as yours. Some parts of what you'd call internal to the bird would be internal to you, others would be external. Parts of what you'd call external to the bird would be internal to you and other parts external... At any rate, the way you perceive the bird depends completely on what you are and your perspective. You could even say that the perceived "birdness" is implicit to you, and much less to the bird.

you cannot create if what you are creating is already present. if what you are creating is already present, it means, it is already present and created. motion outside time is not something outside infinity. motion, and time are still concepts within infinity.

I don't deny that they are concepts within infinity.. In a way you're denying that.. You're claiming that the infinite cannot create thus creation is not part of the infinite. I claim it can. I claim that the process of creating as seen in our 3d experience is a distortion of the process of creating as it would be seen in 7d or 8d..

I used Xeno's paradox as related to motion to clarify things. When the infinite creates.. It is not like in 3d where something appears to suddenly begin existence... It is that "within the infinite the conditions are such that" finite creatures with a particular perspective can perceive this sudden start of existence. And this is creation from the perspective of the infinite... Cool isn't it?

In a way it's similar to the peekaboo game babies play... Their simpler perspective means you do not exist when you're not visible. To them you're really appearing and disappearing. Creating and destroying yourself.

everything is part of the infinite. yet no part of it, can be infinite themselves. all of its parts only can constitute infinity.

This is your understanding. I believe it to be wrong. Every single part IS the whole.. Look up Indra's pearls....

if ape mind is incapable of perceiving anything above 3d, we should immediately close up this forum, dispose all Ra material related books and writings, and stop talking about them.

I know, you believe there is nothing but ape mind.. You've explained this on various occasions. I told you in those occasions that I believe there is more. You never accept that or even entertain the idea... So I won't explain it to you now.

Do understand that I didn't claim ape mind cannot PERCEIVE anything above 3d... I claimed it cannot perceive anything above 3d in an undistorted fashion. Similar to the dimensions in math. You can very much perceive a 4 dimensional cube... But to you it'd be a curious 3 dimensional shape.

We can perceive 8th density in it's totality like any 8th density entity could. Just not in an undistorted fashion.

this doesnt change with density or octave. there is infinity. infinite is infinite. anything that is not infinite is part of the infinite. that includes anything different than infinity. it doesnt matter whether you think about this with the 'ape mind', it doesnt matter whether you think about it with the collective mind of a 6d society complex, it doesnt matter whether do you think about is with any cognitive tool 2 octaves later - infinity will still be infinite. and anything that is not infinite, will have to be parts of it forever, to constitute infinite with their infinite numbers.

Oh it matters a great deal.....

When I raise the hand on my right, and you're in front of me you see the hand to the left of me move up. If you were behind me you'd see the hand to the right of me move up...

Perspective is one of the primary distortions... It's obvious that perspective matters. Without perspective it is either impossible to perceive anything at all, or we perceive a thing in it's totality, unfolded along all it's possible perspectives.

Either way, the differences between looking at something from 3d and looking at something from 6d the way I understand them are enormous.

In fact if you look at us two, different entities presumably of the same density. We're also seeing things from different perspectives.