(07-28-2015, 09:45 AM)Monica Wrote:(07-28-2015, 02:41 AM)Matt1 Wrote: Its not logically to move from an animal that doesn't yet have self awareness to move all the way to the "murdering of a little girl" as you call it who is self aware in 3rd density.
Animals do have self-awareness.
(07-28-2015, 02:41 AM)Matt1 Wrote: I would say your ignoring the logic of Ra that doesn't work for your argument. All things desired, means all things.
On the contrary; I am considering all of Ra's words together, rather than cherry-picking a single 1 or 2 quotes.
(07-28-2015, 02:41 AM)Matt1 Wrote: However only in cases of exterm, they are visualized rather than carried out.
I'd say that causing the dominance, torture, and killing of a sentient being qualifies as extreme.
(07-28-2015, 02:41 AM)Matt1 Wrote: The eating of animal products for self nourishment and pleasure hasn't reached this level of exterm, because it has the produce of providing the body with what it needs.
This has been discussed ad nauseum. It's about pleasure only, because the human body doesn't need meat. Or dairy either. AT ALL.
(07-28-2015, 02:41 AM)Matt1 Wrote: In regarding the loosh aspect, if you are not willing to accept what Ra says in the quote i previously gave, why would you care about another?
The loosh energy is linked to the developed emotion complex.
I prefer to consider all of Ra's words together, rather than cherry-picking a single quote. I asked you a question specifically about Ra's words, which you haven't answered: Where in the Material does Ra ever say that 4D entities feed off of the energy of humans?
As I recall, Ra does indeed state that they do, but they are 4D negative entities, who feed off of humans' fear and other negative emotions.
Is that whom you wish to emulate?
(07-28-2015, 02:41 AM)Matt1 Wrote: In regards to Mintyaturs point, i think its only fair to question the source of information and the person typing behind the keyboard.
You can question all you like but it isn't relevant to the conversation and you won't get any participation from me.
Self Awareness is of 3rd density, not second.
Quote:13.21 Questioner: Then how does the second density progress to the third?
Ra: I am Ra. The second density strives towards the third density which is the density of self-consciousness or self-awareness. The striving takes place through the higher second-density forms who are invested by third-density beings with an identity to the extent that they become self-aware mind/body complexes, thus becoming mind/body/spirit complexes and entering third density, the first density of consciousness of spirit.
I am not putting a couple of quotes together, i am also looking at everything Ra said.
We are not torturing second density animals, we are using them as a food source to fuel the body. They are grown and then killed to be ate. If one was to torture an animal it would be consider animal abuse by law in most countries, this isn't the case.
The humans are unique i wouldn't over generalize in saying that nobody will benefit from eating a meat based diet. Sure you can be Veggie or Vegan and survive, that doesn't mean it will work for every bodies unique needs.
I understand you asked me a direct question and i directly gave you an answer to it, by pointing out if your going to reject clear information given, what would be the point in sharing it. I have completely and fully taken into understanding all of the teachings of Ra in this context and simply used a few key quotes to point out things. The previous quote shows a very common theme in the material.
I think anything can be relevant to this topic as long as its put into some context.
4th Density negative beings do feed off negative energies, and loosh is a general concept that exists outside of the Law of One, its common in most esoterica/occultism.
The 3rd density beings learn to deal with and it promotes further growth and development. This can be seen likewise with Animals.
