(07-28-2015, 12:03 PM)Matt1 Wrote: I used to have a Dog, he was disabled and we had to carry him places. I was fond of him. However this is similar to the idea of 4th density entities working directly with 3rd density. In such a case we help the animals grow and progress. This cannot be said about all animals outside of domesticated house pets.
How do you know that? Have you never looked wild animals in the eyes and seen their soul?
(07-28-2015, 12:03 PM)Matt1 Wrote: Those aren't signs of true self awareness, any animal can go pick up something and move it about.
LOL! Animals have self-awareness, but many humans don't notice. Just like white 'slave owners' didn't notice that the black 'slaves' were aware and intelligent.
(07-28-2015, 12:03 PM)Matt1 Wrote: I am not talking about toddlers nor have I heard that as a proven psychological fact. I am talking directly about the eating of meat and self awareness. Being self centred doesn't make a toddler on par with the consciousness of an animal.
It's hard to comprehend that animals are sentient, isn't it? Hard to break through societal conditioning that says animals are just 'things' to be used by humans. It's just speciesism that makes it hard.
The older generation paved the way towards eliminating racism. It isn't eliminated yet, but we've made great progress.
It's up to us to do the same with speciesism.
Yes, studies have indeed shown, quite irrefutably, that many animals are just as smart as human toddlers. They are capable of rational thought and even abstract thought! Plus, complex emotions and the ability to form friendships and social structures far beyond mere 'instinct.' They even have been shown to care about others and even sacrifice themselves for the sake of others!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mza1EQ6aLdg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwLdhn0aY...Ia2TFFkDZ3
(07-28-2015, 12:03 PM)Matt1 Wrote: Animals can feel pain I agree,
What, do you suppose, would be the purpose of having pain receptors if there isn't any awareness to register the pain? :idea:
(07-28-2015, 12:03 PM)Matt1 Wrote: however the process for killing animals for food as I have said is regulated here to cause the minimum degree of suffering possible.
Maybe in some areas, maybe where you live, but not in the US. And even if it was, that doesn't make it ok to needlessly kill them.
Also, a lot of that is propaganda. For example, many people mistakenly believe that the 'kosher' label means less cruelty. Not so.
(07-28-2015, 12:03 PM)Matt1 Wrote: The emotional awareness of an animal, cannot be the same as an entity in 3rd density, else they would not be a 2nd density entity.
It doesn't matter whether they have the 'same level' of awareness as 3D entities. What matters is that they DO have awareness!
(07-28-2015, 12:03 PM)Matt1 Wrote: Videos can be edited and directed in certain ways to be biased, this is fairly obvious.
It's so much more convenient to assume that they are just CGI.
(07-28-2015, 12:03 PM)Matt1 Wrote: I am sure this happens in most countries.
Sadly, no.
(07-28-2015, 12:03 PM)Matt1 Wrote: People see only what they which to see in those videos rather than any direct acts of self awareness in the 3rd density sense.
?? Not sure what you mean. The animals in those videos are being horribly tortured. It's quite obvious. They are struggling to get away, wailing, moaning, and showing many obvious signs of distress. Why should it matter whether they are dogs or cows? Cruelty is cruelty.
(07-28-2015, 12:03 PM)Matt1 Wrote: House pets are of a higher incarnation or sub density of 2nd density who are close to moving onto 3rd, thus work directly with humans.
Maybe some are. That doesn't make it ok to needlessly kill other animal who obviously want to live, or to rape and torture them, raising huge numbers of them only to rape and torture more of them. It's obscene. We're not having a contest here. It doesn't matter whether dogs are 'more highly evolved' than cows. What matters is that cows have self awareness and complex emotions, and they feel pain and fear. That's all we need to know. End of story.
(07-28-2015, 12:03 PM)Matt1 Wrote: Monica, here is a direct question. Do you think someone can graduate into 4th density from 3rd density while eating meats and not being a vegetation or vegan?
If they did so unconsciously, then yes, surely. But once they are aware of the cruelty and do so anyway, then their callous disregard for the suffering of others, and intentional contribution to that suffering, would surely affect polarity, just as any other callous disregard would affect polarity. Would it affect it enough to inhibit harvestability? That's not for me to say. No one can assess the harvestability of another.
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