Why I am not a vegan

[Matt1]

How do you know that? Have you never looked wild animals in the eyes and seen their soul?

I have farms here and I have had a pet before. I have looked into the eyes of animals.

LOL! Animals have self-awareness, but many humans don't notice. Just like white 'slave owners' didn't notice that the black 'slaves' were aware and intelligent.

Your using an exterm example out side of the context of the debate to justify your point. I am not talking about slave owners, I am talking about animals being used for food. That's like saying because a police officer pulls you over for speeding, that makes him/her a Nazi. Its not logically to jump to such exterms to try to justify an argument. You still haven't given any direct academic proof that animals are self aware like Human beings are. Ra disagrees with that statement(animals are self aware like humans) as I have previously shown. This was shown within the contexts of the all of the material and not just picking one simple quote out of context, as you previously put it.

It's hard to comprehend that animals are sentient, isn't it? Hard to break through societal conditioning that says animals are just 'things' to be used by humans. It's just speciesism that makes it hard.

The older generation paved the way towards eliminating racism. It isn't eliminated yet, but we've made great progress.

It's up to us to do the same with speciesism.

Yes, studies have indeed shown, quite irrefutably, that many animals are just as smart as human toddlers. They are capable of rational thought and even abstract thought! Plus, complex emotions and the ability to form friendships and social structures far beyond mere 'instinct.' They even have been shown to care about others and even sacrifice themselves for the sake of others!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mza1EQ6aLdg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwLdhn0aY...Ia2TFFkDZ3

Again, your bringing in subjects that have nothing to do with this topic. I have previously pointed this out above, so I won't do it again. Those videos aren't real scientific studies that have been accepted. One video is someone’s bias view and the other is a short experiment by the BBC. The Toddler was able to pick the ball up because that's the natural functioning of a human being. I am sure if you asked any scientist to compare the biological human/toddler vs the animal, you will obviously find which shows true self awareness. Not simply a growth towards it. After all it took us billions of years to reach that point.

What, do you suppose, would be the purpose of having pain receptors if there isn't any awareness to register the pain?

There is limited awareness in all things , I think that's a fairly standard understanding in the Law of One. However you have different degrees of awareness. Self awareness as I am talking about it, is a 3rd density vibrational complex. Second density is simply moving towards it but it takes a very long time.

Sadly, no.

It does happen here.

?? Not sure what you mean. The animals in those videos are being horribly tortured. It's quite obvious. They are struggling to get away, wailing, moaning, and showing many obvious signs of distress. Why should it matter whether they are dogs or cows? Cruelty is cruelty.

I am saying that a Dog is a domesticated house pet that has reached the higher sub density of second moving onto 3rd. Farm animals are not of that level of vibration. The video does show more intensive farming methods, I have already explained that over here we have better regulations and things can be regulated better.

Maybe some are. That doesn't make it ok to needlessly kill other animal who obviously want to live, or to rape and torture them, raising huge numbers of them only to rape and torture more of them. It's obscene. We're not having a contest here. It doesn't matter whether dogs are 'more highly evolved' than cows. What matters is that cows have self awareness and complex emotions, and they feel pain and fear. That's all we need to know. End of story.

Nobody is raping animals or torturing them. They are being processed to be used as a food source. Cows do not have the same self awareness or the same level of emotion complex as a higher vibrational entity. I agree we are not having a contest, we are using common sense and logical based on the teachings of Ra. Which I have empirically proven to show the difference between the vibrational rates of animals and humans. That's not all we need to know, we can takes things into the context of the teachings of the Law of One and logically see the difference in the densities and evolutions of entities, as I have been doing.

If they did so unconsciously, then yes, surely. But once they are aware of the cruelty and do so anyway, then their callous disregard for the suffering of others, and intentional contribution to that suffering, would surely affect polarity, just as any other callous disregard would affect polarity. Would it affect it enough to inhibit harvestability? That's not for me to say. No one can assess the harvestability of another.

So if someone ate animals without the awareness of your view point on the suffering of animals, they could reach 4th density. Once they are aware of the view point you have and others who share similar distortions, it would affect there polarity of being STO. Based upon the teachings of Ra and the 51% sto polarity, it would be logically for some room for distortions. If one wishes to enjoy meats with full knowledge of the process, I don't consider this to be harmful for reaching 4th density. We can take into consideration that its logically that many who have ate meats and will continue to do so, will have enough polarity to reach 4th density if they have reached that level of STO as stated by Ra. It is well know that Ra even recommended the eating of Meat at one point in the text. I understand that it cannot be said to be true for everyone. But for those who wish to eat meat, it doesn't seem to have any major effects against polarity, nor did Ra seem to have any major issue with it. I am not simply saying that “just because Ra said its so, its ok” as this isn't taking the material out of context, nor is it picking a few simple quotes, its taking into consider all of the material and the logical of what is taught.