Why I am not a vegan

[Monica]

I have farms here and I have had a pet before. I have looked into the eyes of animals.

Then I don't see how you could have missed it. I guess the same way the white 'slave owners' missed the awareness of the black 'slaves.'

Your using an exterm example out side of the context of the debate to justify your point. I am not talking about slave owners, I am talking about animals being used for food. That's like saying because a police officer pulls you over for speeding, that makes him/her a Nazi. Its not logically to jump to such exterms to try to justify an argument. You still haven't given any direct academic proof that animals are self aware like Human beings are. Ra disagrees with that statement(animals are self aware like humans) as I have previously shown. This was shown within the contexts of the all of the material and not just picking one simple quote out of context, as you previously put it.

Funny how you use the word 'extreme' to distance animals from humans. What I'm hearing you say is: It's ok to murder animals all we want, but we cannot ever dare to compare their suffering to the suffering of humans! Never! No, humans are above animals...humans are exceptional...there is a clear boundary between lowly animals and 'higher' humans. It's obvious that killing a human is heinous, reprehensible, but killing an animal is A-ok, all because Ra said animals are 2D and humans are 3D. Ah, that explains it!

Never mind that Ra explained that there are sub-densities.

Never mind that we fancy ourselves more like 4D entities than primitive cavemen.

Never mind that humans are a lot more like cows, than cows are like carrots.

Again, your bringing in subjects that have nothing to do with this topic. I have previously pointed this out above, so I won't do it again. Those videos aren't real scientific studies that have been accepted. One video is someone’s bias view and the other is a short experiment by the BBC.

I realize that the videos are painful to watch, so I really do understand why you are trying so hard to deny that they're real. It makes us feel better to think that such atrocities aren't actually commonplace, but only isolated incidents.

But, sadly, that's just not true. You are new to this and just don't know. Don't take my word for it; see for yourself if you don't believe me. Those short videos are only 1 minute long each just to make it more convenient for people to get educated. There are many, many, MANY THOUSANDS of hours of video footage exactly like that.

It's naive to expect 'scientific studies' because scientific studies cost millions of dollars and even with money, factory farms would never allow researchers to waltz in with cameras and document how they operate. In fact, there are 'Ag-Gag' laws that prohibit documentation of what happens at factory farms and abolitionists have gone to jail for sneaking in and doing it anyway!

Can you imagine if people had had video cameras back in WWII and filmed the atrocities of the holocaust, and you said "Oh that can't be true because the Nazis didn't do a scientific study"? Do you see how absurd that is?

The Toddler was able to pick the ball up because that's the natural functioning of a human being. I am sure if you asked any scientist to compare the biological human/toddler vs the animal, you will obviously find which shows true self awareness. Not simply a growth towards it. After all it took us billions of years to reach that point.

Scientists have done just that, and have found that dogs and pigs have the intelligence and awareness of a human toddler. They have also found that pigs are smarter than dogs.

There is limited awareness in all things , I think that's a fairly standard understanding in the Law of One. However you have different degrees of awareness. Self awareness as I am talking about it, is a 3rd density vibrational complex. Second density is simply moving towards it but it takes a very long time.

It takes a very long time, and animals are at the end of that process, just as some humans are at the end of 3D.

I am saying that a Dog is a domesticated house pet that has reached the higher sub density of second moving onto 3rd. Farm animals are not of that level of vibration.

What are you basing on? How did you decide that dogs are at a higher level of vibration than pigs?

That is completely arbitrary. Did you know that they eat dogs in China? Yes, in China, dogs are farm animals!

Did you know that some people have pigs as pets?

See, the line blurs. It's not so neatly demarcated as you think.

The video does show more intensive farming methods, I have already explained that over here we have better regulations and things can be regulated better.

Well that's very nice but irrelevant because no one ever said that all farms are like that. The point is that big corporations are rapidly buying up family farms and turning them into factory farms. This is to supply the rapidly growing human population's demand for meat and dairy. The only way they can keep up with demand is to convert family farms into factory farms. It's happening all over the world. Maybe not yet in your area, but that means nothing. It IS happening!

Nobody is raping animals or torturing them.

Rape is the violent penetration into the vagina of a female, against her will. Dairy cows are routinely raped in order to impregnate them. They must have a baby in order to make milk, see? This is done again and again, every year.

MILK = RAPE

They are being processed to be used as a food source.

Oh so that makes it ok? Because...humans like the taste of bacon?

Our primitive ancestors had to hunt in order to survive. But the bottom line is that we no longer need to eat animals to survive.

THAT is the difference! If it was a survival issue, then sure. But it's not. It's simply an issue of "But I like bacon!"

You might justify killing an animal for survival, but you can't justify killing him/her just because you like the taste of his/her flesh or the taste of her milk. (Yes, the dairy industry is the flip side of the meat industry...they both support the other, so consuming dairy is exactly the same as consuming meat, in terms of supporting the industry.)

You can't have it both ways. Either we're still cavemen and still need to go out hunting and behave like animals (those lowly 2D beings) OR we are evolving to 4D.

Humans can't do both. Humans must make a choice: Stay stuck in the lifestyle of a caveman, or wake up and rise up into 4D.

Which I have empirically proven to show the difference between the vibrational rates of animals and humans. That's not all we need to know, we can takes things into the context of the teachings of the Law of One and logically see the difference in the densities and evolutions of entities, as I have been doing.

Where did you do that? I must've missed it.

So if someone ate animals without the awareness of your view point on the suffering of animals, they could reach 4th density.

Until recent decades, societal conditioning taught that animals didn't have much consciousness. That's what people thought. But remember, societal conditioning also taught that blacks were sub-human, just like animals. And it also taught that human children were to be 'seen and not heard.'

That's the way it was, until recently. Our great-grandparents probably never even questioned these things. Some older people still alive today still think blacks are lower than whites! Even some younger people are still stuck in racism, even today! Look at what just happened with the gay marriage thing. Look at all the bigotry.  My own brother still cannot comprehend why anyone would want a dog or cat because, to him, they are just 'things.' My brother is also a racist and a homophobe. Yet my brother is an otherwise 'good' person and would go out of his way to help humans, even black humans, while secretly thinking he's above them.

It's selective compassion, cognitive dissonance. My brother's brain just isn't wired to understand the contradiction. He thinks he's a very good person. He shows wonderful compassion, love and service, but only selectively; only to those he deems worthy. If anyone ever pointed out to him that he's a racist bigot homophobe, he'd probably be very offended. Or maybe not. He might actually be proud of it! He's of a very low mentality where he still thinks being bigoted is normal! :exclamation:

So, is he harvestable? I have no idea!

Maybe he is doing the best he can, given his limitations. Maybe learning to be compassionate to white humans is already a big step for him. Maybe he has reached the 51% threshold, and the other 49% will kick in once he creates new neuropathways in his brain which can accommodate expanded thinking.

This is all speculation, since we don't have the perspective to assess the harvestability of another person.

Once they are aware of the view point you have and others who share similar distortions, it would affect there polarity of being STO. Based upon the teachings of Ra and the 51% sto polarity, it would be logically for some room for distortions. If one wishes to enjoy meats with full knowledge of the process, I don't consider this to be harmful for reaching 4th density.

My brother could never comprehend the Law of One. That's just where he's at. But we are talking about people who have, presumably, studied the Law of One, and, what's more, claim to be 6D Wanderers!!! If people think they are 6D Wanderers and yet still think it's ok to not only ignore, but to actually contribute to the extreme cruelty of higher 2D beings - beings who feel pain and fear and are intelligent and have complex emotions - beings that Ra has answered the call of! - then, in my humble opinion, they are deluded. Either they aren't really Wanders at all and completely miss the whole point of the Law of One, OR they are simply stuck in the muck and don't even recognize their own denial.

It is well know that Ra even recommended the eating of Meat at one point in the text.

No, that is a myth. A popular myth.

Ra never recommended the eating of meat. When asked about diet in general, Ra said plant foods, and 'animal products' to the extent necessary for individual metabolism.

Notice that animal products doesn't necessarily mean meat. It could mean eggs or milk. Ra always chose their words carefully, so there's a reason they chose animal products instead of meat.

Furthermore, Ra gave a qualifier, a condition: to the extent necessary. It's obvious that this means: If it isn't necessary, don't do it. Ra acknowledged that humans are in transition away from the caveman practice of killing animals, into the 4D-5D practice of drinking nectar for nourishment. We can't get from Point A to Point B instantly. It's a process. We can't expect to keep killing animals, like cavemen, and then suddenly go POOF and get to 4D and drink nectar. A logical process would be to quit eating animals, but only eat plants and animal products, then quit eating animal products altogether, then eat only plants, and then eventually, only fruit, and then go from fruit to nectar.

Yet people here - self-professed 6D Wanderers - argue that they must still eat animals, like cavemen! Then they expect to go POOF and drink nectar???

The only time Ra used the word meat was when asked about Carla's diet, specifically in regards to a particular condition she was dealing with. I think it was allergies, as I recall. But Ra didn't advise Carla to eat meat. Rather, Ra knew that Carla already ate meat! That is a very important distinction that is frequently missed: Carla already ate meat, so Ra was working with her where she was at, and did what Ra always did: Answer the specific question only, without telling her what to do. Ra never gave us rules, like a religion. Ra simply answered questions, always choosing their words carefully so as to preserve free will. Don't you think Ra knows that humans are in the transition away from eating meat? Of course Ra knows that! But Ra couldn't explicitly say "Don't eat meat" because then it would have been a rule, and Ra never gave any rules; only concepts in direct response to questions. Ra never explicitly said "Don't murder humans" either, but that doesn't mean Ra endorsed the murdering of humans! Ra only answered questions!